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Yeah! Just the knowledge of others with the ability to defend themselves is deterrent enough to rethink. Also, go back to my previous posts, Janet. I propose regular, tough screening, including psychological evaluation, before allowing private ownership of firearms. Keep in mind, I carry a firearm daily. I've been in situations where I had to use it several times. For a responsible person, with a conscience, it is a very difficult choice to make, and take responsibility for. With one exception, all my choices were tested in court, and an objective person decided that I was right every time. The one exception was such a situation that I could not take responsibility or be blamed- it is difficult to elaborate on that shortly. It was a situation that developed for many days. |
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excellent idea riann |
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our kids are safer |
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Going back to an earlier comment on this thread |
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a great system!! |
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Hey guys |
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"what other legal item can i go out and buy today, and tomorrow walk in to a theater and kill 12 and wound 30 more?" Here was my answer: "A gallon of gasoline......... A bottle of propane......... A tank of acetylene........ Yawn" Arguing with these people is truly a waste of time. They know what they think they know but don't know what is so. They ask glib clever sounding (to them) questions like that thinking they just made some debate ending, slap-down comment. Not knowing the question actually has an answer and the answer makes them look foolish. Because they don't know the answer, so locked into their ideology, they think none do. Oh well...Yawn |
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reply to the 'can of gasaline ploy' A bottle of propane......... A tank of acetylene........ Yawn" this is true!! but sadly the statistics from these so called weapons of 'mass destruction' is very low. Gun violence statistic are available and shocking. Softaire pointed out correctly that there were 12,632 fatalities from gun violence on the USA in 2007,I would also like to point out that since the year 2000 there have been almost as many cases of gun violence in this country as our KIA in ww2!!! Think about it!!! So i don't think we should worry too much about that list of alternative weapons list at the top of this page!! They have all these 'weapons of mass destruction' in the United Kingdom and they really don't seem to be using them for anything more violent that cooking. Just today i put 'gas' in my car. I barbecued A hamburger with propane.I did not go out to my local NRA shop and buy legally; 6000 Rd's of ammo. 1.Assault Rifle,and 2 hand guns with high capacity magazines. Lets get real here!! Actually softaire said it very well and concisely;;;;( So, I try to take a very non-controversial stance and ask: "Given that we should have the right to keep and bear arms, and also given that because some people are lunatics and go bonkers, what do you think we should do concerning gun ownership, gun usage etc.? What changes would you propose?") The words of a diplomat!! couched in compromising terms that suggest we can reach agreements if we just discuss things honestly with open minds.). America always has done well when we compromise!! Yes i am deeply worried about my country and unless we start talking to each other and stop listening to self-serving Corporations and demagogues who seek to divide us for there own profit,this countries future is doubtful..... |
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Yes indeed, thumper What is truly astounding, what I only understand now, is that an individual can obtain a firearm at a firearm show (we don’t have many of those here) legally, without screening, identification, or a vetting process in place; at least in some states. Unbelievable! Those firearms include military arms! No, I don’t agree with that at all, if only for the simple reason that criminals have access to arms that can hurt my fellow brothers-in-arms, being soldiers or policemen. That is absurd! In South Africa, there is a lengthy process of between 6 months and two years to obtain a license for a firearm, and even then it is not guaranteed. The process is administered by the Central Firearms Registry, a specialized branch of the South African Police. The UK is very lucky that she can patrol her borders relatively easily. In South Africa, we don’t have that luxury. A lot of military firearms filter over our borders. These firearms trickle down from north of us. They include (but are not limited to) AK47, AKM, M16A1, FN and others- I just want to illustrate a point here, so no need to name them all. If all the citizens of this country are de-armed, armed gangs with illegal firearms will run riot through our streets. We are already the most dangerous country to live in that is not at war; at the time, we were more dangerous than Bosnia, but not as dangerous as Afghanistan and Iraq. Test this: use blackle.com, and search the indexes that deal with that, some released but the UN. Private citizens with firearms has stopped and defeated criminals here in the past. In South Africa, the closest a private citizen can come to owning a military style firearm, is a modified arm that can only shoot semi automatic. These are locally manufactured (under license if needs be) or imported with the strictest controls and legislation. Since 1999 South Africans have been very limited with the firearms they may acquire. 1 handgun, 2 rifles and a shotgun, but that is about the limit. Also, we are only allowed a limited amount of ammunition that to me is ridiculous. If I’m right, it is 30 rounds per handgun… but here’s a problem: ammunition is sold in boxes of 50! Have any of you read my post on 6 July? Kennesaw is a city in Cobb County, Georgia, who forced private firearms ownership onto the citizens (just shortening things here; it was a long process). Everybody there grow up with firearms. They know how dangerous firearms are, what they can do, and how to act responsible around firearms. Their crime rate is just about zero! I don’t think any crazy person is going to start shooting at people in the town square soon. The stupid idiot will be lucky to get two shots off, before some responsible, caring person with a conscience will take him out to keep other innocent people safe. Brigadecommander, I’ve already said that I don’t agree with the private ownership of military firearms. HOWEVER..... there is always the exception to the rule. What about a farmer on a border; farmers live far apart and a long way from help. Reasonable ground for the acquisition of an automatic firearm or two. Our farmers on the borders with Mozambique and especially Zimbabwe, get attacked regularly by criminals from across the borders. These criminals have military firearms. Now, I’m thinking of the situation of the US with border to Mexico, and the drug smugglers. Let’s face it, border patrols are not going to be enough. Hey, I don’t agree with it, but the exception is reasonable. So do they get those firearms? Just to defend themselves and their families? My perspective on this topic is shaped by the violent country I live in, all the family, friends and acquaintances I know that have been victims of crime involving firearms, and possibly the fact that I am a Police officer that carry a sidearm daily. I have used it in the past, out of necessity, but I sincerely hope that opportunity never knocks on my door again. It is a terrible responsibility. Luckily, I am a very big person. I rely on my size often to subdue, convince or cajole criminals. Often they don’t even know that I am armed. I prefer it that way. However, I do have a conscience, I do feel the responsibility, I am scared and hesitant to use my firearm, but it comes naturally to me. I dress the sidearm the same way I dress my jeans, and go to the mall to have a cup of coffee with my friends. It is not something I advertise or brag with, it doesn’t give me a God complex. It is a terrible burden that I carry, for two reasons: keeping people safe, and keeping their property safe. I pack. |
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reply to bridgecommander To make my point a bit clearer I have been shooting shotguns and rifles from the age of 6. I am a decent marksman. I know and respect the gun as I have been brought up with it. If you have not been brought up with the gun and don't respect it, then people will take human life. This I do not agree with. |
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Riaan You're right it is unbelievable, and untrue. Here's how it really works: Say I'm at a gun show here in Washington State and want to buy a Winchester Model 70 chambered in .338 Winchester. I approach a dealer who has that rifle for sale. The first thing he will ask me is, "Are you a member?" A member of what I ask? A member of the Washington Arm Collectors (WAC) of course he responds. No says I. Too bad says he. You must be a WAC member to be able to buy a firearm at the gun show. How do I become a member I inquire? Well he says, you have to pay them some money, fill out a long questionnaire and submit to a background check. If the check comes back clear you will be accepted as a member and then you can buy that Model 70 over there. Will my Concealed Weapon Permit (CWP) be enough I ask? No it won't but it will speed up the process he informs me. "Those firearms include military arms!" That's also untrue. If you mean by military arms you mean a full automatic or select fire weapons, no you can't buy one at a gun show. They're class III weapons and aren't even present at gun shows, much less sold there. To even be in possession of a class III weapon without a class III license is a major felony. To somehow acquire a class III license takes an act of GOD. A gun show does put firearms owners in close proximity so if some other patron overhears the conversation with the vendor and happens to have a Winchester Model 70 chambered in .338 Winchester that he wants to sell, he can offer to make a private transaction with me. That would go something like this; So I understand you're looking for a Model 70 in .338. Yep, I'm going on an elk hunt and don't have a heavy enough caliber I respond. Well I'll sell you mine for $650 if you let me take a peek at your CWP.... When it comes to Armor Piercing (AP) ammo, the anti's spout even more gibberish. 'AP' ammo for a handgun is goofy in the extreme. Handgun ammo is comparatively very low velocity and most ,even 'AP', wont penetrate level II armor (concealable, lightweight, under your shirt armor). Almost none will penetrate IIIA and only the most violent unmanageable and very very expensive custom built single shots might be able to penetrate level III armor. Conversely, the .338 Winchester hunting cartridge fired out of that Winchester Model 70 the anti's say is an 'acceptable' rifle to own will blow right through level III armor. I only point this stuff out to clear up just a few of the fallacies being spouted by people who don't know what they're talking about. But man they say it with conviction!!! They keep spouting these and many more half truths and gibberish, trying to convince others that they know what they're talking about. |
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a 6 year old child is dead and many others |
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You can challenge all you want but please challenge with facts. I thought you would have recognized by now that I know a LOT about this subject. If I could convert what I know of this subject to chess skills, I would be a 2600 rated player. If you've learned what you know from fellow anti-gun people I'm afraid you've been misinformed. As a highly intelligent person I recognize you to be, you're selling yourself short. Honestly, I have no wish to 'convert' anyone from their honestly held beliefs but I have my honestly held beliefs too and have no wish or need to be 'set straight' by someone who really doesn't know what I do. By the same token, I would not presume to lecture you about how to properly play chess based on my limited understanding and misconceptions. |
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how to buy guns on/line |
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The most familiar handgun caliber is a 9mm with a 115gr projectile traveling at 1350 fps with an impact energy of 466 ft/lbs The .44 mag handgun (of Dirty Harry fame) shoots a 240gr projectile traveling 1450 fps with an impact energy of 1214 ft/lbs The .223 (evil black rifle) shoots a 55gr projectile traveling 3000 fps with an impact energy of 1099 ft/lbs The 'acceptable' hunting rifle chambered in the popular .338 Win Mag shoots a 250gr projectile traveling 2750 fps with an impact energy of 4197 ft/lbs of energy. Hmmmm. |
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>Buying a Gun Online Shopping for a gun online can be a daunting task - this should make it easier. By Russ Chastain, About.com Guide When it comes to shopping online, most of us hunters and shooters think of buying gear, clothing, or ammo. The fact is, you can buy guns online, too. Below are some of my findings and tips on buying a gun online. Perfectly Legal Now before anyone flips their lid, let me point out that these transactions are fully legal and regulated. Federal laws are followed throughout; if the gun must be shipped, then it must be shipped to a Federal Firearms License (FFL) holder. Before a gun is released to the buyer, the required background checks are done by the receiving FFL holder. The FFL holder will often charge a small fee for his services.< ------------------------------------------------------- So the transfer must be through a licensed FFL dealer. Isn't that what I said? So you link a website thinking you're vindicating some false premise but when you actually read the website it says what I told you in the first place. Don't you even read this stuff? You're proving what I'm saying is true. Of course I already knew that, and you would too if you read the GCA of '68. I have many times. Do you think people are just going to rely on and believe your 'narrative' because you say it and not actually check what the site says? I thought you wanted to deal in facts. |
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yes but its can be got on/line and in a retail shop... so once again... |
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and my same answer is the perpetrator bought legally; 1000 Rounds of Ammo.1.Smith and Wesson m&p .223 caliber semi-automatic assault gun, 2-Glock handguns with high capacity magazines. And a shot gun for close in damage.No amount of semantic quibbling can change this. And that's my point. A 6-year old child is dead!!!. And you think you have a 2nd amendment right to own War weapons. Go tell her her father and mother that.tell them that its real hard to get a assault weapon. And hardly anyone can. Just your bad luck Mom and Dan!! but don't take my assault gun away because its my right to have it. I need more then a regular Rifle!! i need more then a 12-round gun! i need...a UZI sub machine gun.!!!!! |
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