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chrisforbes21
26-Jul-12, 17:06

War what is it good for
As Tom Jones said, absolutely nothing

Young soldiers are good at war they don't consider things so much they are emotionally immature and full of testosterone. They say that war is created by spiteful men manipulating young minds.

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softaire
26-Jul-12, 18:00

chris
Thanks for the stroll down memory lane. (I think I saw myself in the second video)

When I was there I decided to put-off thinking about the morality of it all and reasons for being there. I'd do it later when I was home, safe and sound. I concentrated on keeping my head down and out of trouble, but that was difficult because I got there shortly before the Tet Offensive and I was there for a full 13 month tour.

Now that I'm back, I'm glad I did it but I would not want to do it again. And, more importantly, I'd not want anyone else to do it. But, sometimes those things do seem to happen. And, when they do (like most things that influence us) there is some good along with some bad.

As I read and learn about the history of the world (still trying to learn) I notice that most of the history is littered with wars and battles. It doesn't seem any civilization (or group of people if you don't think civilized people go to war) can long last without some war to go into.

And, of course, the reasons are invariably to plunder somebody else's wealth and steal it, whether it be land, resources, possessions, money, whatever... (although Salvador and Nicaragua (I think) had a war over a soccer game)

You see, the ancients never realized that wealth is not a fixed amount, but wealth is created by people and it is unlimited. We have seen the truth of that since the Industrial Revolution.

In the last 200 years, societies participating in world commerce, free trade, and capitalism have improved their wealth enormously. Along the way, lifetimes have risen from 30-40 years to 70-80 years, with spans as long as 150 predicted to be available soon. Additionally, the availability of consumer goods, food, clothing and shelter, education, health care, entertainment and basically the quality of life have all improved enormously.

So we spent a lot of time, energy, and blood throughout the centuries stealing what could have been gotten easier by simply cooperating and trading.

Wouldn't it be nice if our current governments would learn that lesson?



chrisforbes21
26-Jul-12, 18:29

Governments is the correct way to describe it
Bruce first and foremost I respect you if you survived that war and sorry you needed to be there. I have lots of friends both past and present in the forces and I have the utmost admiration for them. My parents dissuaded me from joining despite the fact it would have got me through college for free.

Vietnam was not fought for territory it was fought on political ideology, it was communism against capitalism. Going back a term it all stemmed from the nukes in the Cuban crisis it came as close as we ever came to a nuclear war. JFK averted it because he had the balls to call Khrushchev's bluff. So they decided to have a punch up in Asia instead.

Now for humanity despite what ideology you come from, I would hate to have lived in a world where the guys like "mad max" or "eli" are the survivors. I read the "The Chrysalids" as a 12 year old in the cold war era and that scared the hell out of me, I thought is this the world I will live in?

For me I think it is very easy to get caught up in a world of materialism without really understanding there is still war in this world. Going back to my earlier comment they say that war is created by spiteful men manipulating young minds. I see this happening in many underdeveloped countries and in developed countries. How much hardship must a man have had in his life to want to destroy the future of tomorrow, this I can try to understand but I do not agree.

softaire
26-Jul-12, 18:46

chris
Thanks for the kind words.

I just finished a really good course called "Utopia and Terror in the 20th Century", taught by Profession Vejas Gabriel Liulevicius (American but you wouldn't know it by the name), who teaches at the University of Tennessee.

This course (Video course) discussed why the 20th century was the most brutal and murderous century in the history of the world. He covers how it got started, what caused it (in his mind), and why it continually got worse and worse.

He covers the Marxism, Socialism, Communism, Fascism, Nazism, and Despotism. He discussed Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, Hussein and others who are responsible for killing millions, mostly for their own personal power and wealth but in the name of creating a Socialistic Paradise or Utopia.

I would say that the 20th century did see us living through the likes of "mad max" and "eli". Actually, I think it much worse.

brigadecommander
26-Jul-12, 18:47

here's a War for you...
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softaire
26-Jul-12, 18:57

Incredible... thanks.



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