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chrisforbes21 13-Sep-12, 12:52	ideas that repeat themselves throughout history I would like to create a discussion covering many facets of culture, politics and war. Ideas that have been used time and time again in different guises. In more recent times it is easy to look at music through the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's and look at different rifts that have been taken from older songs and used in modern songs. I keep observing similarities in all walks of life be it business or politics. For example our most recent war on terror is exactly the same as what happened in the mid C16 century with the Spanish inquisition. Its very you are either with us or against us, if you do not believe in terror you are either mad or a terrorist. Or the South Sea bubble, great depression and the current credit crunch. While these are notable examples I would be keen for other members to share their observations of things that have happened in the past and again in more recent times.
softaire 13-Sep-12, 22:31	Great topic. I wish I knew enough history to help out here. The only thing I can thing of right now, quickly, is that there seems to be a similar situation with the U.S. and the Middle East currently that was similar to the situation back in the late 1970's when Jimmy Carter was President... violent unrest in the Middle East, American Embassies attacked, American hostages or killings, completely unprepared American government, and government response... Not exactly the same but quite similar.
thumper 14-Sep-12, 07:33	Softie Obama is Carter? That would mean Romney is Reagan. Romney is to Obama as Reagan was to Carter? A lot of parallels for sure.
softaire 14-Sep-12, 09:01	Another parallel in my last is that Carter threw the Sha of Iran under the bus and abandoned him. Obama threw Mubarek of Eqypt under the bus and abandoned him. In Iran it caused the rise to power of the radical Islamists. In Egypt it caused (or allowed) the rise of the Muslim Brotherhood. THAT is already causing violence in the region.
chrisforbes21 14-Sep-12, 10:12	democracy and war Democratic nations do not go to war the only time democratic nations go to war is when they are attacked or threatened with attack. Democratic nations are not naturally inclined to be warlike which is frustrating for the defence sector. There has been several instances for democratic nations going to war notably WWI and WWII. But it was curious to see why after 9/11 Iraq was attacked. I guess the guys in charge thought in for a cent in for a dollar. TCB. The rev Desmond Tutu came out the other day and said Blair and Bush should be indited on war crimes in the Hague. While Saddam was an evil dictator there was no cause for war and all the people that died as a result I am inclined to agree that they have a case to answer in a court of law.

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