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softaire
08-Mar-13, 09:46

Methuselah star
This is interesting... a star older than the universe?
Anybody know anything about this?
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The oldest known star appears to be older than the universe itself, but a new study is helping to clear up this seeming paradox.

Previous research had estimated that the Milky Way galaxy's so-called "Methuselah star" is up to 16 billion years old. That's a problem, since most researchers agree that the Big Bang that created the universe occurred about 13.8 billion years ago.

Now a team of astronomers has derived a new, less nonsensical age for the Methuselah star, incorporating information about its distance, brightness, composition and structure.

"Put all of those ingredients together, and you get an age of 14.5 billion years, with a residual uncertainty that makes the star's age compatible with the age of the universe," study lead author Howard Bond, of Pennsylvania State University and the Space Telescope Science Institute in Baltimore, said in a statement. [Gallery: The Methuselah Star Revealed]

The uncertainty Bond refers to is plus or minus 800 million years, which means the star could actually be 13.7 billion years old — younger than the universe as it's currently understood, though just barely.

Bond and his team used NASA's Hubble Space Telescope to study the Methuselah star, which is more formally known as HD 140283.

Scientists have known about HD 140283 for more than 100 years, since it cruises across the sky at a relatively rapid clip. The star moves at about 800,000 mph (1.3 million km/h) and covers the width of the full moon in the sky every 1,500 years or so, researchers said.

The star is just passing through the Earth's neck of the galactic woods and will eventually rocket back out to the Milky Way's halo, a population of ancient stars that surrounds the galaxy's familiar spiral disk.

The Methuselah star, which is just now bloating into a red giant, was probably born in a dwarf galaxy that the nascent Milky Way gobbled up more than 12 billion years ago, researchers said. The star's long, looping orbit is likely a residue of that dramatic act of cannibalism.

Distance makes the difference

Hubble's measurements allowed the astronomers to refine the distance to HD 140283 using the principle of parallax, in which a change in an observers' position — in this case, Hubble's varying position in Earth orbit — translates into a shift in the apparent position of an object.

They found that Methuselah lies 190.1 light-years away. With the star's distance known more precisely, the team was able to work out Methuselah's intrinsic brightness, a necessity for determining its age.

The scientists also applied current theory to learn more about the Methuselah star's burn rate, composition and internal structure, which also shed light on its likely age. For example, HD 140283 has a relatively high oxygen-to-iron ratio, which brings the star's age down from some of the earlier predictions, researchers said.

In the end, the astronomers estimated that HD 140283 was born 14.5 billion years ago, plus or minus 800 million years. Further observations could help bring the Methuselah star's age down even further, making it unequivocally younger than the universe, researchers said.

The new study was published last month in the Astrophysical Journal Letters.

www.space.com

brigadecommander
08-Mar-13, 12:09

doesn't surprise me.
as i said many times. When field research is 'allowed' to explore in 'unorthodox' ways without fear from orthodox backlash,(just ask Galileo) there is no telling the result. Good one softair!!! I'll make a pragmatist of you yet!!!
dieharder
08-Mar-13, 22:08

it reminds me
When doing imaginary numbers in maths there was an equation, I solved it, but not on the way the equation was meant to be solved, (I cut out 3 moves), my maths teacher who was a PhD said got lucky, the thing was I solved it in an unconventional way but the equation stood, my work was disregarded because I was not doing maths the "right way". I no longer study maths.
riaannieman
24-May-13, 11:08

About the maths
Because I am really bad at maths, I tend to think along other lines and I follow my gut.

I have the suspicion that the universe/multiverse/bubbleverse is quite a bit older than we believe at present. Time will tell.
brigadecommander
24-May-13, 11:23

i agree riaan
very very much older. On a personal level (just my gut opinion) the Universe is Infinite. And had to have always been that way. I can't prove it,but nor can it be disproved. Itchys posts when they come should shed some light, as his Science is Physics. He knows far more then i in this subject (mine being Biology). So we can proceed from there. Though i have tried to find legitimate data to post my conflict with the big bang, i cannot summon the Mathematics myself on this subject. A lot of my evidence therefor comes from parallels in Human behavior visa-ve History, and Philosophy and yes as you say....from my gut



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