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Honour, Honesty, Respect ... Im done, Peace out |
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if the latter then I would like to refer you to one of the many anti-doping bodies such as the WADA or USADA or even the NFL or MLB etc etc if the former then I appreciate your need for discussion and the exchange of ideas. you are a smart man so I know this is the reason why you are seeking answers. the use of PEDs is all about gaining an unfair advantage over your opponent. doping is unethical, unsportsmanlike, unhealthy and legislated against. are you pro-doping John? |
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What is the unfair advantage if your opponent takes PEDs and you choose not too? Is that not the same as your opponent using an over sized tennis racket and you choose to use a smaller Arthur Ash version? How do certain chemical compounds, that perhaps increase certain hormones in one's system, differ from other chemical compounds that promote other things, e.g., bone density, metabloism, etc? Logically, they both promote performance. Playing football and boxing are unhealthy. So we can toss that. Unethical? Ethics change. Legislated against? Yep. I think that is the only argument that holds water against doping. So who's with me FOR CHANGING THE DOPING RULES in atheletics? |
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In the late 1970's to about the late 1990's,I was working out very hard at the gym,3 times a week,sometimes 4 times a week.But I wasen't getting that big muscle mass I was seeking.Genetics plays a role of course,and I knew that,but I wanted more.Some guys at the gym were shooting up full strength steroids.I said no,no to that!But then,if you look closely in the better supplement stores,you can find a small shelve that contains LEGAL steroids made from Rye Germ oils(betastita sterols),andresole(spelled wrong but something like that!),sublinguals,creatine,concentrated amino's(orthinine,arginine and a few others I cannot remember anymore),that will definitely increase muscle mass and performance).Of course,there are the expensive and better whey powders that contain some of the above ingredients.All legal and without a prescription.What some guys were doing was loading up on these things above the recommended dosages,to get very close to the results of the illegal stuff,but it simply took longer to show the results. I stopped taking that crap over 10 years ago after I noticed that my liver was becoming enlarged,probably due to overloading the processing of this crap.Its not worth it!So,later in the years the so called "greek look"was more popular.....smaller,lean with definition,rather than the "big massive V shaped monster look"!Atleast on the east coast of the US!So,the same muscle mass increasing steroids are not nearly as popular as they were 20 years ago. Its strange,but some of the supplement stores would even sell a type of paint thinner(yes,paint thinner!),that when applied to a sore elbow,for instance would practically evaporate the pain instantly,better than any prescription pain killers or regular over the counter pill.I can't remember the name of the stuff,but it could NOT be put on the store shelves,since it was not considered a "legal"supplement to be sold in a vitamin store.BUT,somehow a loophole in the local law ALLOWED to to be sold BEHIND the counter and NOT sitting on top of the counter,as long as it was NOT openly visible to the customer.But you had to ASK for it,it could not be listed or promoted by the stores.There were cancer causing ingredients in the stuff,but serious body builders still bought the stuff,figuring a bit here and there on their extremities would not be harmful. What people do,to look and perform,is amazing and dangerous.I was one of them back then! Yes,got the women by the boat loads...but the risk was not worth it! |
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You ask a legitimate question and it has set off a barrage of reactions. I think, though, for starters, the difference between bigger raquets, special training and psychological gamesmanship and the use of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs might boil down to transparency, saftey (health risks) and having a level playing-field. The drugs are invisible during the competition. Not the biggest deal, since the training is also not necessarily public, but still a factor. Safety and health risks are a more serious consideration. Sports bodies should not encourage risky practices that create the potential for long-term side affects and health issues for athletes. There are already some, and perhaps the bodies need to look at a few, but they've made progress in women's gymnastics, for example, by raising the minimum age from 14 to 16 to compete in the Olympics. Do we really want to create an atmosphere where the doctors and chemists are the determining factors in winning? Let's at least maintain the myth that character and hard work are the deciding factors when it comes to winning. |
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@chilliman: Quit thinking with your heart and use your brain. |
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Yes,while there are legal steroids out there,I would recommend taking absolute zero on those supplements.I do recommend a good whey powder protein after a workout,but thats about it. A good protein is necessary to actually help build tissue fiber after a workout.Many people do not even realize that you actually micro tear muscle fibers after an intense workout(your suppose to!)...and then a protein will help mend and further develop those tears with increased growth as your muscles get bigger.I'm not working out anymore,but hope to get back into it soon.My job (nightshift)burns me out,so i have no energy left to do a good workout.When i worked dayshift,well,that was a different story. |
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I think the topic here is more about the concept of sport and its role in society vs. any particular sport, or perhaps it's integrity in sport, or yet still, whether sports icons are heroic figures who deserve our attention or just lucky shmchuks who got lucky and parlayed their success into riches and fame. Come to think of it, where's that beach with the 50 million tons of sand? There's a particular grain that has attracted my attention. LOL! |
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Antiqua,for example,has 365 beaches,according to the travel brochure! Its the only humor I could think of right now....since I am a real beach bum! I do not disagree with you kneilca,just blurting out some things about drugs in general and other sports.Can you imagine in the 40's and 50's the amount of drugs used before all this testing became absolute?Boxing and other sports,i'm sure. |
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hahaha - no problem though, we are all entitled to an opinion but that doesn't mean all opinions are correct. |
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I support your position in being outspoken in challenging society's view John even if you have taken the unpopular position on this subject. feel free to try to change society's opinion if you want to but like you, I'm not changing my opinion. maybe in 100 years pharmaceuticals will be an acceptable part of sport but as of right now they are not whether you agree or not. |
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pennsylvaniadan 15-Jan-13, 13:32 |
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pennsylvaniadan 15-Jan-13, 23:54 |
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