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illinawek
27-Jul-12, 14:23

Mitt the twit
What former President was insensitive, abrasive and dopy?

www.thesun.co.uk

OK, he doesn't say "misunderestimate" or "strateegery," but he does appear to be another rich kid out to outshine his daddy's political record.

That's right, he is GWB II.
mrmarmalade
27-Jul-12, 18:56

"This topic is sooo 1A! It's like wearing white after Labor Day! It's like renting a house on Fire Island in October! May as well order tap beer at Pindar! The wedding is on a Monday-I don't think so! My sister isn't gay, she just hangs out with chicks a lot! I teach my students to think for themselves! Let's start a pool for the poor; I'll be in Trinidad next week! You guys are daft! Let's go to Google and translate this to another language! Tambor es gay!"
astinkyfart
27-Jul-12, 19:35

I have
found that in general conservatives get a bad media rap, this is why I believe the media is biased to the left. 99% of England I would consider to be liberal. Mitt never stood a chance, they were salivating just waiting to pounce. He really didn't do sh** but whatever. Obama has been very good at making the rest of the world happy.
mrmarmalade
27-Jul-12, 19:59

Deleted by mrmarmalade on 28-Jul-12, 04:45.
astinkyfart
27-Jul-12, 20:29

I think
if you lived in Kentucky you would have a good supply of bourbon  
itchynscratchy
28-Jul-12, 01:05

"99% of England I would consider to be liberal."

Sorry but that's rubbish, we might be more liberal as a whole but there are still large areas of the country who hold opposing views, and we currently have a conservative led government who have gone around cutting welfare and privatising national services. You would have to be extremely far right to be to the right of 99% of the country. Please do some research before you cast aspertions on my country, thanks.
mrmarmalade
28-Jul-12, 05:48

I had a good supply of Kentucky bourbon last nite.

HINT: look for deleted messages.
mrmarmalade
28-Jul-12, 06:21

Stinker, if I were to move to Kentucky, this is how I'd like to do it...

www.landwatch.com
thumper
28-Jul-12, 06:33

Desperate Media SuperPAC trying to invent gaffe
I wonder if all the manpower and airtime and print space the media uses to smear Romney can be charged as Obama campaign contributions.

Media Distorts Romney's Olympics History to Invent 'Gaffe'
by Ron Futrell

Like any political campaign, you are told to attack your opponent's strengths. Make no doubt about it, the Activist Old Media is Barack Obama's most powerful SuperPAC, and they are out to attack Mitt Romney on his strength.
Take the Olympics.

Mitt Romney speaks his opinion based on what he and others have seen about the 2012 Games while in London. And the media, wanting so hard to proclaim a "Romney gaffe," go into full attack mode on the Republican candidate. Everybody seemed to jump on this; ABC's David Muir said, "So many Brits are boiling... a rough first stop." "Boy, it sure was," added George Stephanopoulos. Hey guys, you wanna see rough? Let's check out rough. Let's compare actual Olympic experience.

The media has created this battle, clear and simple. It wasn't like Romney attacked everybody who had ever built a business in America (who was it who did that?); he simply gave his opinion that it was a bit "disconcerting" to see lack of preparation in some areas in London. Many observers in Great Britain have said the same thing. Now, an Olympics expert giving his opinion is called a "gaffe" by the media.

ABC's Rick Klein can't wait to declare that Romney is falling into a "long term pattern" of gaffes. You want gaffes? Go to Europe and talk to people in Austria about speaking "Austrian." Obama did that, and the media ignored it, as well as many other gaffes made by this President (and don't get us started on Biden and gaffes).

As a reporter, I covered the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City that Mitt Romney saved. I challenge ABC and the other networks to do extensive research on what Romney did to save those Games that were facing financial ruin and were held at a time following 9/11, when security questions in this country were at their highest level. The Games were virtually flawless. Mitt Romney knows of what he speaks. The international negotiations that Romney had to go through to change Olympic protocol by allowing the American flag found in the ruins of the World Trade Center to be displayed at the Salt Lake Olympics was nothing short of historic. Flags of any individual nation are not to be "singled out" during the Games, but Romney went through intense international negotiations to make one of the great moment in our lifetimes happen. Watch the video and tell me it doesn't give you chills to see this again and be reminded of this moment in time.

Also ignored is Barack Obama's Olympic experience. Does the media remember the trip he made to Europe to try to win the Games for his hometown, Chicago, as president in 2009? How did that turn out? What is Obama's history with the Olympics? Like with so many things in his administration, it is a history of failure. Obama boldly proclaimed he was going to Copenhagen to bring the Games to Chicago, and the International Olympic Committee laughed at him. Chicago didn't make it out of the First Round. "I urge you to choose Chicago," Obama told the IOC. Wow, quite a pitch there, Barack. Let's see how often the media mentions Obama's Olympic experience.

In spite of actual performance, the Activist Old Media is dead set on changing history to create a template where Romney is seen as a failure and Obama's numerous gaffes and policy failures are ignored. The Olympics are just the media's latest vehicle for this tactic.
mrmarmalade
28-Jul-12, 08:06

"I have found that in general conservatives get a bad media rap,"

-It depends on which nework you watch. I've worked for MSNBC and Fox News. Fox News, has more liberals in the hallways than you could possibly imagine. It is the best place that I've worked for (in the communications industry), by far. There are no layers of bureaucracy and you are left alone to do your job. No one discusses politics, and people are smiling, alot. They really, really treat people well. It is a family environment, thru and thru. Everyone knows your name.

MSNBC, on the other hand, is loaded with management. You are micro managed by a battery of supervision. They also make you do MORE jobs than the one in which you were hired for. You do this for the same rate of pay as well. In essence, they have eliminated jobs to save money. One man does the task of two. You also have to join a union, NABET Local 11, and pay dues. It is the most expensive union in the city. I'll never work there again.


"99% of England I would consider to be liberal."

-Ouch! Careful, Stinker. That's a pretty broad statement to be making. "Retract, retract!"
astinkyfart
28-Jul-12, 10:25

marmalade
I wont retract but I will clarify. I think most western nations in general are more liberal than the U.S. Not liberal in the sense we say politically. My wife is waaaaaaay more liberal than I am. Lots of places in the U.S. have more of a chirstian influence and small town mindset whick makes for more conservatism. I think the general consenses world wide is that conservatives are cowboys and not intelligent because most of the world remembers George Bush.
mrmarmalade
28-Jul-12, 10:44

I hear ya, bro... You're probably right.

I, however, will not offer any specific opinions on geo-politics. The end result is too predictable.

Here is one bit I will offer: my uncle is as staunch a conservative you will ever meet! He makes Softaire and DOK seem like timid chaps. He and I get along quite well and believe me, HE TALKS politics. I just listen to him now, for the most part. He's a gun toting, ex-Army, camo wearing salesman.

Now, he and I can discuss 10 topics at any given time. I can agree with him on nine of them, but the moment I hesitate on point ten, it's instant. "You panty waste faggot! What a candy ass nephew I have!" LOL... He is quite funny.

But, it has gotten heated between us in the past. We almost came to blows at a family function one time. It was bad. So, we tend to back off political talk.

I am no liberal, however. About a six months, my uncle and I were driving to the rifle range in Calverton NY. We got on the topic of politics (impossible not to in his presence) in which I said, "I'm center-right." He quickly jumped on it and said, "No you're not. You're center-Left."

So, I guess it depends on who you ask, regarding Mr. M. I've heard both of the above.

One thing I detest and will ALWAYS argue against is Pseduo Intellectualism. I do find that Liberals make terrible debaters, however.
astinkyfart
28-Jul-12, 14:00

I think
you are right. It is who you ask or who you are around. Also I know what you mean. My mother is very very conservative to the point that she think Obama is a terrorist. I have to weed out what I want to look into and what I dont. She wont believe anything other then what she believes and thats even with evidence, so I look at her and tell myself I never want to be that shallow minded.
mrmarmalade
28-Jul-12, 16:51

I would estimate there are many explorable reasons why certain nations lean toward one political spectrum... I would think that this is very explainable via a hierarchy chart; socioeconomic, militarily. I'm quite certain one would be able to make easy predictions at a glance. Of course, there are "rogues" and exception to the rules.

Ain't no way I'm touching this topic, though. Too many intellects may challenge me and think I'm "daft.". Theze folks iz dun learning.

And that's all I've got ta say about that!
softaire
28-Jul-12, 18:26

Illi
When people (especially politicians) are out in public, speaking ALL the time, they "sometimes" make errors. It is easy to find fault with any one of them, especially if what they say is taken out of context.

I'm just pointing that out as all people do it, especially those who talk a lot. I will refrain from pointing out many of the gaffs of BO, like pronouncing Navy Corpsman as "Corpse-man" etc. You get the idea.

This turn to the "Romney Gaff"... do you think it is possibly so that we get the discussion OFF of the economy, which is really in dismal shape and has only gotten worse sine BO took office?
illinawek
29-Jul-12, 05:04

Some gaffs are laughers to chuckle about. Others give you a window into the soul. Romney is an ex-chairman of the Olympic committee. He said that he was worried about the readiness of the London Olympics as a way to toot his own horn. I don't think he thought much about how it would make the hosts feel. He would bring the same thoughtlessness and insensitivity to the job if elected President. My point is we already experienced eight years of that.

By the way, the economy has improved, and our auto industry was saved and is now making record profits. It has done so on its own, and that is mainly due to the gridlock in Washington.
softaire
29-Jul-12, 06:11

Illi
Ok... I will maybe agree with you there about him wanting to tout his own past success. He does have some experience and successes to tout.

But, I will have to disagree with you about the success of the economy.

Last year the growth rate was 1.9% over all and this year it is projected to be 1.2%.

"official" unemployment is over 8% (for over 40 months now?) and, when you add in the real numbers of underemployed & non even trying people, real unemployment is over 15% (across the country) with pockets of unemployment in urban areas and among some groups as high as 50%.

We continue to overspend our revenues by well over a TRILLION per year and the Senate will not consider doing a budget.

Our national debt is at about $16 TRILLION and climbing.

We have the most people on welfare and food stamps in the history of the nation, while we have the fewest working people (who pay taxes) since WWII.

Housing values have come back (a little) since the recent crash but are still 30 - 40 percent below their peak values. Same with retirement portfolios, for those that still have anything.

The fed continues to print money and is threatening QE III which is sure to cause massive inflation as the economy is NOT growing in proportion to that. An increased money supply MUST match the growth rate (and vice versa) in order to keep inflation in check.

The economy is NOT doing better. We are on the brink of fiscal collapse.
softaire
29-Jul-12, 06:36

Illi
Here is one example of how our auto industry has "prospered".
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Government Motors Stock Hits All Time Low, U.S. Taxpayers Now $42 Billion In The Hole…

Despite President Barack Obama’s stories about a resurgent GM ready to repay its bailout tab, the automaker and its former bank still owe taxpayers nearly $42 billion, according to an inspector general’s report.

GM owes $27 billion on the nearly $50 billion it received from the auto bailout and Ally Bank, the company’s lending arm, owes $14.7 billion of the $17.2 billion taxpayer-funded bailout it received.

Obama has promoted the auto bailout as a success story, highlighting the manufacturing jobs it may have saved in swing states such as Ohio and Michigan.

GM’s stock has plummeted in recent months after stagnant development in overseas markets. It hit a new low on Wednesday, falling to $18.80, a 52 percent drop from its January 2011 high of $38.90.

cowboybyte.com
illinawek
29-Jul-12, 19:10

What is your point? Should GM have been liquidated?
softaire
29-Jul-12, 20:24

Illi
Yes, id necessary. And, most importantly, the preferred creditors should have been made whole first, as per law. They should not have been sh**-canned.

mrmarmalade
30-Jul-12, 06:40

Letting these companies fail, makes me nervous, Softaire, but I'm no economist nor savvy enough to realize this impact upon the national landscape; short term/ long term.

I refer this to DOK, the treasure of GK. Thus far, I've found him to be the most influential voice. DOK speak=Mr. M listen... Softaire speak=Mr. M listen some too... Thumper speak=Mr. M get a refill... Changeling speak=Mr. M consider Romney/Palin ticket.
changeling
30-Jul-12, 07:02

Waffling again mrmarmalade?
mrmarmalade
30-Jul-12, 07:47

Lol. If there is one thing I do NOT do, "waffling" would be right up there. Honestly speaking, ultra left wing liberals have done more to shift my own viewpoints than any other group could have hoped for.

I think y'all are dangerous. Not in a "physical" sort of way, however. Just because I have voted Democratic, does not make you and I similar.

I've gone too far, so that's all I've got to say about that.
changeling
30-Jul-12, 07:54

Ultra left liberal? Me? (LOL). You obviously don't know me very well.  
mrmarmalade
30-Jul-12, 08:01

Sure I do. You make constant soundbite remarks to almost every topic, followed by pesky emoticons. Unoften do I something adding value. Of course, this assumes I'm qualified to make these judgements. I've deemed this to be the case.
changeling
30-Jul-12, 16:31

     Your wit is underwhelming.
illinawek
30-Jul-12, 17:49

Its a good thing then that we waited until after WWII for a guy like Romney. We would have had a hard time winning that war without General Motors.
astinkyfart
30-Jul-12, 18:14

Illi
We would have a hard time winning that war if not for any number of a million things. I have no problem helping companies survive if the debt is paid and not the burden of common Americans.
softaire
30-Jul-12, 18:26

Illi
There is a process (as I am sure you are very well aware) for companies to file Chapter 11 (I think it is) bankruptcy where they get to suspend their debts but continue business under certain restrictions and possible new management or oversight.

This has allowed many businesses to continue operations and become profitable once again.

In those cases where they were not able to continue business, their competitors (and there are always competitors) are able to step in and take the customers, provide the services or build the products. THEY then become stronger, and are able to hire more people (quite often the very people displaced by the failing company).

The "bailout" of GM was not so much saving a company as it was a theft of legal stockholders money and a giveaway to the unions. Had the company failed, competitors would have picked up the pieces and preferred stockholders would have gotten some of their money back.

It was a real "grand theft auto".
thumper
30-Jul-12, 18:36

When a small company owner makes bad choices and runs the company into the ground he looses his business and all his money. He then has to start over again from scratch. If he can. That's 'really' taking responsibility. Therefore, I have no problem with them making it rich, they earned it.

When these big companies' leaders make bad choices and run their companies into the ground, somebody else pays the freight and they go right back to doing whatever it was they were doing yet when the company makes money they get bonuses and stock options. That's not taking responsibility.

If these guys make bank when they don't mess up, they should lose everything when they do. That's truly being responsible. That's what the consequences are for everyone else...

Harsh? Yep. It's tough out there.
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