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thumper
07-Sep-12, 12:41

Abolish the Department of Education?
September 7, 2012
Ann Kane and M. Catharine Evans

30 years ago, Ronald Reagan called for the termination of the Department of Education. But instead of disappearing, the Jimmy Carter creation has become a federal leviathan with no signs of abating in growth.

Reagan's Secretary of Education Terrell H. Bell thwarted Reagan's and the Christian right's plan to do away with the cabinet level bureau. Bell, an educator by profession, was instrumental in publishing a report on the national status of our schools. Bell had the National Commission on Excellence in Education, which he created in 1981, prepare a document in 1983 called "A Nation at Risk: The Imperative for Educational Reform."

Like a small pebble tossed into a pond sends out many ripples, A Nation at Risk--through fear-inducing rhetoric and a call for more government intervention into traditional states' rights--set off a movement in education which could not be stopped. Whether Bell took this action to save his job, or whether he differed ideologically with Reagan doesn't matter now. The genie was let out of the bottle and we've paid a high price for allowing the Department of Education to have too much power.

From A Nation at Risk:

...the educational foundations of our society are presently being eroded by a rising tide of mediocrity that threatens our very future as a Nation and a people...If an unfriendly foreign power had attempted to impose on America the mediocre educational performance that exists today, we might well have viewed it as an act of war...We have even squandered the gains in student achievement made in the wake of the Sputnik challenge. Moreover, we have dismantled essential support systems which helped make those gains possible. We have, in effect, been committing an act of unthinking, unilateral educational disarmament. [...]

They [1982 Gallup Poll of the Public's Attitudes Toward the Public Schools] also held that education is "extremely important" to one's future success, and that public education should be the top priority for additional Federal funds.

The commission's major imperatives were much the same as we have in the education reform movement now: the appeal for non-traditional teachers, more federal funding and heavier emphasis on science and technology studies as opposed to "general track courses."

Although the report duly outlined the problems of lackluster educational outcomes, it had a detrimental effect on allowing the states to determine their own educational policies. Thus, the DoED's job description continued to grow. What once had been an office which simply collected national statistics on school children's academic performance now has become a bureaucratic boondoggle.

As a result, we've gone from a fiscally and socially conservative president who campaigned on getting the federal government out of education to a socialist president who has allotted $102 billion of stimulus funds for education reforms and who has overseen an increase in the DoED budget from $32 billion in 2009 to $71 billion in 2011.

Back in 1996, Republicans were calling for the department's dissolution again. Bob Dole campaigned on the plank the same as Reagan had, but after his defeat, the message eventually became watered down. Take for example the two GOP platforms from 1996 and 2012.

From 1996 in the section "Improving Education" reads:

"The Federal government has no constitutional authority to be involved in school curricula or to control jobs in the market place. This is why we will abolish the Department of Education, end federal meddling in our schools, and promote family choice at all levels of learning."

From 2012 in the sections "the 10th Amendment" and "Consumer Choice in Education" respectively read:

We support the review and examination of all federal agencies to eliminate wasteful spending, operational inefficiencies, or abuse of power to determine whether they are performing functions that are better performed by the States. These functions, as appropriate, should be returned to the States in accordance with the Tenth Amendment of the United States Constitution. [snip]

Congressional Republicans are pointing a new way forward with major reform legislation. We support its concept of block grants and the repeal of numerous federal regulations which interfere with State and local control of public schools.

Obviously, the piercing language of 16 years ago has been lost to a milder wording today. Yet the essence is clear: Republicans desire less government interference into individuals' and states' rights and they call for the continuance of state and local control of schools.

Among the numerous stakeholders in the education reform movement today, Michelle Rhee of StudentsFirst stands out. Recently she has been revealing her position on centralized control of education policy. When asked at the 2012 Democratic National Convention about the Republican Party's education platform "pushing control back down to the local level," Rhee replied:

"We had 14,000 school boards in this country making the decisions for a long time and that is why we ended up where we ended up," Rhee said, noting that often school boards aren't composed of educators. "I don't think local folks know everything."

Also, during the convention, reporters asked Rhee whether the federal government should play a role in education. She said it must have a role, and its job is to set the standards and hold the states accountable to those standards. This amounts to a central authority calling the shots.

The DoED under its secretary Arne Duncan has already inserted its power into the states by tying funding to achievement through Race to the Top competitive grants; granting waivers to No Child Left Behind failures; and offering funding for testing materials to states who adopt Common Core Standards [all but four states have adopted them].

But the GOP has stated it supports local control, so does that mean they still want elected school boards; or does it mean they see private education companies as the local controllers? The GOP platform in 2012 doesn't specify whether the DoED should be downsized or removed.

In any event, all signs point to the DoED staying right where it is and actually increasing the scope of its power.

Dismantling an organization as entrenched as the Department of Education would be difficult at best. With so many strings attached between it and the local school systems, separating them would take a revolution.
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deadofknight
08-Sep-12, 05:07

Our children are getting really hurt. We don't educate them, we don't set up a system that pushes them toward personal responsibility and then we screw things up so bad they can't get a job with their horrible skills. And then we run the debt up to 100 trillion dollars and wonder how they are going to pay it off…we are insane.
chaz5
08-Sep-12, 07:23

DoK ...
... how would you suggest we change our education system?
softaire
08-Sep-12, 08:11

You would eliminate the federal agency altogether, just as you eliminate the gangrenous foot by cutting it off.
chaz5
08-Sep-12, 08:23

softy ...
... wouldn't that mean 50 different educational standards, some of which (if they couldn't afford better) would/could be below an acceptable standard from a global educational perspective?
softaire
08-Sep-12, 09:41

It would mean that 50 states could develop the educational system in their state to the best of their abilities and eliminate the huge tax payments to a huge, cumbersome bureaucracy that imposes "one size fits all" on the entire country.

The savings resulting from reducing the bureaucratic overhead in Washington would give each state MORE cash in order to implement their better idea of education. Innovation will show improvement and improvement will spread from one state to another state when they are free to pursue their chosen course.

chaz5
08-Sep-12, 11:15

softy ...
... I understand your point ... but I just disagree with it. I appreciate states' control for lots of things, but a few are better managed centrally now that we're competing on a global campus. I've read some (not a lot) about the monies that could be theoretically saved (I think you're optimistic), and some arguments pro/con. As was inferred in the article, making such a move could be quite chaotic without a sure outcome.
softaire
08-Sep-12, 11:39

chaz
"... but a few are better managed centrally now that we're competing on a global campus. I've read some (not a lot) about the monies that could be theoretically saved (I think you're optimistic), and some arguments pro/con."

Every penny spent in Washington on office space, cars, business equipment, supplies, business services, personnel salaries, overtime, pensions, health care etc is useless to the States. You don't think that is a large, significant amount?

OVERHEAD means the cost of simply being there with all the people, equipment, supplies and infrastructure BEFORE anything constructive gets accomplished. In this case, it is a huge overhead... and it is debatable whether or not anything constructive gets accomplished.
thumper
08-Sep-12, 12:10

I hear this talk about how eliminating the DoEd would/could result in some States' education system dropping below some magical 'acceptable standard' and damage our 'global educational perspective'. Let's set aside the fact of WHO is currently dictating these standards and perspectives and take a look at the results of them. Idiots are being pumped out of HS and post secondary education who feel good about it... until they get into the world and find out they're idiots who can barely function in the most basic job setting.

I keep hearing about how schools today always focus on teaching 'critical thinking'. Getting kids to 'think critically'. This is all the rage but I call it a dodge and a scam. It's simply code for teaching kids to think the way the predominantly progressive liberal education hierarchy wants them to think. That is that government is your big brother and you can't do anything without his constant and direct involvement in your life and teaching no real skills or knowledge helps to reinforce that philosophy.

The truth is if you teach math, reading, writing, science and history, guess what. REAL critical thinking is a natural result. That's what they're afraid of and are trying to avoid.
chaz5
08-Sep-12, 12:25

... these are indeed the arguments for putting this responsibility back to the states; and, I respect your differences of opinion.
deadofknight
08-Sep-12, 18:37

chaz

The education of our children, in my opinion, lies not with the states. It lies not with the federal government. This is another personal responsibility issue.

It doesn't take anything more than parents to make sure that children are educated.

Having said that, small groups of local parents make education boards. They teach children what parents find acceptable. Not what the federal government dictates. The dictates of the fed right now are failing at an unacceptable rate.

There has been no positive move forward from the local to the federal level. Here is a situation that we can look at and actually say, without equivocation, that the current effort at fedarlism is failing--and failing quickly and resoundingly.

It has not produced a better system for our children at all. In fact it is worse. We are moving to a system where teachers have it better. And they cheat for their kids to make sure they get the federal money they want. That makes no sense. Teachers are failing. Local oversight and support from parents and neighbors could make a big difference.

By returning the reponsibility back to parents that elect local people to teach what parents want taught we are not only eliminating a large, wasteful program that has produced no good thing, but we are placing the burden where it belongs. Back on individuals and parents of the children that created them.

Teachers unions won't like it. The federal goverment won't like it. But if we could point to a desmonstrably better outcome than the one that is linked to the federal program I would consider it. I care about the students getting back to school and getting back seriously. Only parents can make that happen, IMO.

chaz, do you see real education happening as a direct reult of federalist intervention?

What I mean by education is not some moral mandate, or an ethic or anything but better grades. The rest of that isn't the job of schools, it is parenting that creates better citizens, ethics and morals.

Please point to a positive result if you can, I am open to it…but I doubt that it is happening when the results are so clear that nothing but failure right now is happening in America; and it has been in decline for some time. Bigger programs don't teach kids. Parents and teachers do…and they don't need more than a school board from what I can see.

I have three close friends that are local principals that ALL agree with me…and are sickened by federal intervention…mandates that don't work and the looming threats of funding being cut off.

It isn't working.

DOK
chaz5
08-Sep-12, 20:54

DoK ...
... I very much appreciate your interest for underscoring the responsibility of parents, and I understand how some folks would find national standards about virtually anything objectionable. However, going in the direction you're suggestion presupposes that each state will get it right ... and not all states will invest the same into their students as other states. In my opinion, our country is competing with other countries and they're outpacing us. We could argue that it's the federal recipe that producing it, or we could argue that it's 50 varieties of educational standards that's producing it. It is not just teaching math, science, and history the old fashioned way anymore, as some here have said; and, it seems most states just don't get it, or just don't want to pay for what education actually costs. We prob'ly don't pay our teachers enough. Obviously we have a difference of opinion. I'm not an expert on this subject; my education has been from the media, and I've become appalled at the attitudes of parents and local schools who just don't want to invest anything further in to schools or education. It is not just an easy solution to dissolve the Dept of Education and get what you're talking about.
zorroloco
10-Sep-12, 04:24

as a teacher
i would like to see schools and local school boards run schools. i am with softaire on this. but, and it is a big if, there needs to be both state and federal oversight. chaz is correct that we live in a competitive global economy. schools and local boards cannot be allowed to run things exactly as they see fit - the stakes are far too high.

in the past, and also currently, many school districts have displayed a remarkable and unacceptable willingness to discriminate against certain segments of the population, i.e. latinos, african americans, kids who do not speak englsh, kids w/ disabilities, poor kids - mostly those whose parents lack political and economic clout.

that is where the state needs to step in. and if they refuse to do so (for example in arkansas), then that is where the federal department of education needs to step in.

also, some districts have chosen to teach magic and myth rather than science. there is no way we can compete on a global level if children are not taught science - real science. neglecting evolution in order to teach creationism is not in any way acceptable. may as well teach that the earth is 6000 years old - and if they had their way, many would do exactly that.

that is where the state needs to step in. and if they refuse to do so (for example in kansas), then that is where the federal department of education needs to step in.

softaire
10-Sep-12, 07:35

z
I would much rather see YOU in charge of all education than the federal government.

I think there might be a use for a small Dept.of Education on the national level. They might be able to coordinate minimum guidelines, minimum acceptable curriculum, and standardize texts etc.

But local school boards should be in charge of most decisions.

So, what is going on in Chicago?
How is striking "thinking of the children"?
zorroloco
10-Sep-12, 10:28

softy
i have no idea about what is happening in chi other than that it is a strike.

striking is thinking of the children if it is for the right reasons. if it empowers teachers. you said you want local control. what is more local than teachers? as a teacher, i can assure you that the vast majority of teachers would only consider striking as a last resort. if teachers feel that they cannot continue to teach because they cannot afford to live where they teach, then striking is in the long term best interest of the students, even though it does hurt students and parents in the short run.

i have no idea if chi teachers are striking for the right reasons.
chaz5
10-Sep-12, 10:40

... in the short term, it seems that striking would be a very bad PR move just before an election.



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