chess online

chess online

Play online chess!

Request denied, Request denied, Request denied
« Back to club forum
Pages: 12345
Go to the last post
FromMessage
thumper
04-Nov-12, 10:21

I think you should just go for it Chaz. Search your feelings and drop the pretence. Declare what you've been insinuating for the last few years here. You can openly admit it, come out of the closet. Just a little hint.... (whispering) ... everybody already knows... Trust me, no one will think less of you than they already do.
chaz5
04-Nov-12, 12:49

Thumper ...
... I think you understand least of all. That said, I'm game for riding that bike in the backwoods, protecting you in the jungles, or climbing some mountains you might just pass by. It's hard for you to understand who protects you or who your friends might be. Sit down and sip some stiff coffee, and maybe there's value in the chat unless all you want to do is fence and stab.
thumper
04-Nov-12, 13:24

Do tell; Who is protecting me Chaz, and what is he protecting me from? So I am the least among you? Are my betters attempting to protect me from... me? Would that I could perceive such wisdom and selfless nobility.
astinkyfart
04-Nov-12, 14:23

As of this minute
All righties leave chaz alone, you are pushing him left. LOL
changeling
04-Nov-12, 14:36

Back on subject
for a while:

softy: Irrespective of respect, you still did not answer my last question to you I notice.  
softaire
04-Nov-12, 16:16

change
Sorry about that. It is not me losing respect for you. It is me losing my patience. (again) You are seeming to be more and more like Chaz where you refuse to acknowledge previous statements (of fact) and go on say that "we have already discussed this" or say "all this hyperbole and crap". Sorry... I lost my patience again. (My fault, my failing)

So, here we are:


"The only relevant question in your post could be: "...Why was security reduced in Benghazi?..."
Well, that IS not the only RELEVANT question. I have asked several.


"Was it actually reduced? From what to what? Did the Libyans promise military coverage of the compound then disappear when things turned ugly (as the local militia did)?

I believe the answers are Yes and Yes. Reports are that the U.S. government pulled out the previously deployed security team in the preceding month. (You choose to doubt that, it seems) And, it is the responsibility of the host government to provide security and protection for foreign Embassies and Consulates. But, we should also (and usually do) provide a detachment of Marines also for that purpose.


"Why are you willing to accept whatever foxnews says and not other sources?"

The mainstream media is not, or has not, been reporting on this. There basically has been only Fox covering it. They do NOT want to report on anything that might be detrimental to the BO election. (I have said that a few times also)

Can you provide any documentation from other mainstream media that answers the questions that BO should be answering in a press conference?


"Does 'marine in congress' refer to a current serving marine or just another retired (republican) marine in congress that hasn't seen service in years and has nothing at all to do with the military machine now?"

He is a retired Marine who heads-up (I believe) one of the military/security sub-committees in the House. He is the highest ranking Marine (formerly active Marine) in Congress. I would assume he still has active contacts and briefings although I do not know him and don't know that for sure. Do you have other information or think he is not "current" in his briefings for some reason?


btw... I notice that you have adopted the liberal convention of not using capital letters when using or referencing Proper Nouns. Is that the zorro effect or just an anomaly?
changeling
04-Nov-12, 17:38

softy
You crack me up! "...adopted the liberal convention..."

"...Was it actually reduced? From what to what? Did the Libyans promise military coverage of the compound then disappear when things turned ugly (as the local militia did)?

I believe the answers are Yes and Yes. Reports are that the U.S. government pulled out the previously deployed security team in the preceding month. (You choose to doubt that, it seems) And, it is the responsibility of the host government to provide security and protection for foreign Embassies and Consulates. But, we should also (and usually do) provide a detachment of Marines also for that purpose..."

I don't doubt that at all, I simply asked if it was the case. My point was the foreign security doesn't seem to have been taken to task for not providing any (or running away and letting events happen!). Just this mad rush to condemn the current administration for being slow or slackers, or treasonous, or whatever!

"...Can you provide any documentation from other mainstream media that answers the questions that BO should be answering in a press conference?..."

These are yours, or foxnews questions, which are decidedly anti Obama.

"...He is a retired Marine who heads-up (I believe) one of the military/security sub-committees in the House. He is the highest ranking Marine (formerly active Marine) in Congress. I would assume he still has active contacts and briefings although I do not know him and don't know that for sure. Do you have other information or think he is not "current" in his briefings for some reason?..."

I'm guessing here that perhaps this ex Marine has been alluded to by foxnews and no one else then? No name, no real job description, simply a statement of 'fact' perhaps?
softaire
04-Nov-12, 19:11

change
I re-post the link here so you can go to it and see it for yourself, this time.

video.foxnews.com

I did misspeak... he is NOT a Congressional Representative. He is a U.S. Senator and he is the highest ranking former Marine in Congress, who was the Head of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. I think he knows what he is talking about.

WHY are you downgrading the possibility of these reports being correct?

BO has NOT offered ONE explanation for his erratic behavior and explanations of the attack, nor has he offered any explanations for the downgraded security. And, of course, he has not offered any explanation as to why he promoted that stupid lie about the video.

Do you have any explanations I'm not aware of?
changeling
04-Nov-12, 19:29

No I don't softy, neither do you. I am not downgrading anything. Obama's erratic behaviour according to who, right wing propaganda news outlets. I do not know the truth of what happened, I doubt the public ever will. That is probably how it should be. You are very quick to blame this whole fiasco on one man (albeit your Commander in Chief), is your hatred of Obama so far gone that you cannot see that any President would be vulnerable when this type of event happens.

The reports even within these threads give voice to everything that could have been done at the time and within the time-frame was. It appears pretty much bullshit that any 'force' not on the ground could have got there in time to stop any of it.

In regard to downgrading of security before the attack, now that is another question and possibly more pertinent. I would question why it was done, on whose 'exact' authority, was the risk considered reasonable by the diplomatic corps, or did they scream and shout and put up an argument for not downgrading security at that particular Embassy? I think the wrong questions are being bandied about in an attempt to discredit the administration.

Would you rather have Bush back who when asked why he took your troops (and ours!) into Iraq (five thousand dead Americans!) said "God told me to" (or words to that effect)?
illinawek
05-Nov-12, 04:18

All security information is secret. No body who is talking about this knows what security measures were taken at the embassy, before or after.
deadofknight
05-Nov-12, 07:46

Oops
politics.blogs.foxnews.com


Does this clear things up?

You can kick and scream that it comes from Fox, but CBS is the original source. Fox is simply telling the story about the facts CBS has been withholding.

If this had come out after the second debate, or prior to the debate, Obama would have been deemed a double loser in the debates and the election might be very different than it is now; Romney would have separated himself even further.

This is another example of how this media tries to manipulate the public, the election and our future. They are complicit in the non-truth here; exactly what they are designed NOT to do.

This is where Illi contorts himself to demonstrate that the president didn't lie.

dok
changeling
05-Nov-12, 12:52

Read it from start to finish. I would still guess that the truth will never be known and that the media on both sides are quite likely to blame for all the obfuscation and out of context reporting.
changeling
05-Nov-12, 13:02

Would you guys really
prefer this man as your leader?

www.thegodlessheathen.com

There are many kinds of media that play around with distortion. Did the guys making this also distort anything.  
Pages: 12345
Go to the last post



GameKnot: play chess online, Internet chess league, monthly chess tournaments, chess teams, chess clubs, online chess puzzles, free online chess games database and more.