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aussiespud 05-Nov-12, 01:36	Tue 6th November In America, a significant proportion of the Citizenry will choose a man who will have a profound impact on world affairs for the next four years…..in Australia an even greater proportion of its Citizenry, which cannot be at the track, will find a TV somewhere (I’ll be at a local pub) to watch the Melbourne Cup Here’s hoping we all pick a winner
changeling 05-Nov-12, 02:05	........... ................
softaire 05-Nov-12, 07:23	Aussie Thanks for that. But, I don't think it will be over on the 6th. That's when the lawyers go into action. So, eventually, there will be a winner. I wonder if Illi will see any of that action. (Hope so... somebody I know might as well make some money on this) Hope you end up happy with your winner.
chaz- 05-Nov-12, 08:38	... no matter who wins Tuesday, the other party will remain entrenched ... and will block progress at the expense of all of us for the sake of their own power. Perhaps we're closer to revolution than we'd like to admit.
thumper 05-Nov-12, 08:53	There's more jobs on the ballot than just president. If the 2010 elections are any indication, I suspect there will be a fairly substantial rebuke of lib theology in the senate as well as many local positions.
softaire 05-Nov-12, 08:59	I'm expecting that this will be the "2010 extended" version.
thumper 05-Nov-12, 09:31	New heights of absurdity The media is trying to paint a picture of a very close race because they're trying to make the race closer. It's all about the psychology. If the Obama supporter thinks Obama has no chance and is going to get blown out, they won't even bother to show up to vote; but if they think it's a tight/close race they are more likely to weigh in. This is the most insidious type of vote fraud, second only to what happens in the schools. CNN conducts a poll where, even though Romney leads independents by 22 points, it's TIED. The poll, released earlier tonight, shows a 49-49 tie among likely voters. But to get to that result, CNN had to use a D+11 sample! also- The new Pew poll, released Sunday, showed Obama ahead 48 percent to 45 among likely voters, a three-point bump in the president's favor after Pew’s survey one-week prior had the race tied. Pew oversampled dems by 6 points for that result. Sadly (for the radical libs that is), Gallup says this year the electorate will be Republican +3. Oops!
changeling 05-Nov-12, 12:38	thumper "...The media is trying to paint a picture of a very close race because they're trying to make the race closer. It's all about the psychology. If the Obama supporter thinks Obama has no chance and is going to get blown out, they won't even bother to show up to vote; but if they think it's a tight/close race they are more likely to weigh in. This is the most insidious type of vote fraud, second only to what happens in the schools..." Surely there is media on both sides so who is being fraudulent? Is this a quote from a media source or your own words?
chaz- 05-Nov-12, 12:42	Change ... ... good point. If the race were not close, many would not vote. Is this (urging/persuading some to vote) good or bad?
thumper 05-Nov-12, 14:21	Change Here's the deal: The 'legacy media' has been around and running things since the beginning. The 'new media' as it's called, really started back in the late 80's with Rush Limppaw and AM talk radio; Enjoying modest success bucking the establishment legacy media's stranglehold on information dissemination. Even so, the 'truth' was still largely what the legacy media said it was. Though slipping a bit, they still told the majority of people what to think. When the internet started growing and Drudge gave voice to smaller more widespread news sources, the power of the big media houses began to slip even further. Their narrative was being exposed as the manipulation it is, and growing numbers of people found it less and less believable. Then Breitbart came along and really caused the new media to take off in '09 with old-school investigative journalism and reporting; actively questioning and challenging the legacy media's manufactured narrative. We're truly in an information revolution and the legacy media is desperate to maintain power. They being generally left leaning (some far left), see their best allies with the continuation of the liberal political power structure. They do what they can to assist that continuation. They still have a lot of power and influence and are established manipulators of subjective 'truth'. They've been doing this type of 'poll dance' for decades. It's exposed and obvious today because of the new media's ability to spill the beans.
changeling 05-Nov-12, 14:38	Just goes to show that there is no such thing as freedom of the press in the US. It seems the major parties have their own (media) sides.
thumper 05-Nov-12, 14:43	It just goes to show that the libs have their media and the people are exposing that fact.
changeling 05-Nov-12, 14:55	Oh, I thought it was alternative media that was 'exposing' the facts? I don't see very much opposition to the Romney campaign in Breitbart or fox news for instance. In spite of all the 'apparent' lies he has been making.
changeling 05-Nov-12, 15:01	Is any of this the truth, I wonder? politicalresearchdatabase.tumblr.com
thumper 05-Nov-12, 15:53	Funny how you try to change the subject from the MSM's manipulative attempts to get Obama supporters to the polls into liberal's claims that Romney lies about this or that. The subject of liberal poll manipulation is obviously so troubling (embarrasing?) to you that you feel the need to attempt to change the subject. Here's a news flash: The MSM is being exposed and no amount of, "Yes but, what about this?", is going to stop it.
chaz- 05-Nov-12, 16:26	... Change is raising a good point and that point is being ducked.
changeling 05-Nov-12, 17:16	thumper You are stating things here out your proverbial! Do you ever see the (provable) outright lies Romney constantly spouts on foxnews, Breitbart, or any other 'new' media outlet? Rhetoric and spin is part and parcel of US politics and well documented (and probably expected). With the amount of downright lies Romney has come up with (not to mention the second coming of the Christ who will rule from Missouri and Jerusalem after 'someone' bombs the crap out of the Jews) it's almost unbelievable that any sane person would vote for him, the man is simply an old fashioned charlatan. Do you want some religious backwoods nutter with his finger on the trigger?
changeling 05-Nov-12, 17:21	Which statements are lies? fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net
changeling 05-Nov-12, 20:01	Interesting not that a few here would even rate it. fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net
thumper 05-Nov-12, 20:34	Change The new media is returning to it's roots which is 'we the people'. The purpose of inclusion of the media in our bill of rights was to ensure open information dissemination to the people. A watchdog against government intrusion. Information that's not filtered and approved by the government or particular ideology. A press that is not a lackey. I'll take my chances with a free press by a free people over the lapdog pravda institution the MSM has become. I want the warts with the roses and I'll decide what it means.
changeling 07-Nov-12, 12:16	www.huffingtonpost.com

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