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dmaestro 16-Dec-12, 10:39 |
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dmaestro 16-Dec-12, 11:07 |
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How in the world did that guy get into an elementary school carrying two loaded hand-guns? Somebody was negligent there and should be punished. I'll bet if the school authorities get charged with 28 counts of negligent homicide, the rest of our school boards will provide adequate security. |
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DM I told my wife (I had an idea) that it would be good to have some sort of finger print key on the triggers so only the owner could fire the weapon. If you ever sell the weapon the key would have to be adjusted by a firearms dealer. This is probably not feasible but just thinking. |
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Shooting cut short by Tony Lee 16 Dec 2012 A former security guard with a concealed carry permit may have prevented Jacob Tyler Roberts, the 22-year-old who killed two people and critically wounded another when he opened fire at an Oregon shopping mall last Wednesday, from inflicting even more carnage. Nick Meli claims after Roberts, saw his gun, Roberts killed himself. "I'm not beating myself up cause I didn't shoot him," Meli said. "I know after he saw me, I think the last shot he fired was the one he used on himself." Meli told Portland, Oregon's NewsChannel 8 that as he was about to fire, he saw someone move in the background and never pulled the trigger because "I knew if I fired and missed, I could hit them." While at the mall with a friend and her baby, Meli "positioned himself behind a pillar" and took out his gun after hearing three gunshots. Meli said the gunman "was working on his rifle" and "kept pulling the charging handle and hitting the side." This break in the action gave Meli time to pull out his gun, which he claims the gunman saw before pulling the trigger on himself. Meli eventually took cover at a nearby store. -------------------------------------------------- This is understandably being ignored by the libs and their MSM mouthpieces. It flys in the face or their narrative. A man shows up at the mall with a rifle and a vest full of magazines, intent on shooting everyone he can before offing himself. Instead, he gets challenged right off by an armed citizen and he can't even burn through one magazine. He's stopped before he can traction and the gig up; he panics, stops shooting at other people and shoots himself instead. Another drug addled lib and product of their broken culture? |
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School Security Funding Cut ******************************************************************* (Washington Guardian) – Beneath the expressions of grief, sorrow and disbelief over the Connecticut school massacre lies an uneasy truth in Washington: over the last few years the Obama administration and Congress quietly let federal funding for several key school security programs lapse in the name of budget savings. Government officials told the Washington Guardian on Friday night that two Justice Department programs that had provided more than $200 million to schools for training, security equipment and police resources over the last decade weren’t renewed in 2011 and 2012, and that a separate program that provided $800 million to put police officers inside the schools was ended a few years earlier. Meanwhile, the administration eliminated funding in 2011-12 for a separate Education Department program that gave money to schools to prepare for mass tragedies, the officials said. A nationally recognized school security expert said those funds had been critical for years in helping schools continue to enhance protections against growing threats of violence. But they simply dried up with little notice as the Columbine and Virginia Tech school shooting tragedies faded from memory and many Americans and political leaders had their attentions diverted to elections, a weak economy and overseas dramas. “I was baffled to see funds and programs cut in these areas,” said Kenneth Trump, the president of the National School Safety and Security Services firm that helps school districts and policymakers improve protections for teachers and students. “Our political and policy leaders need to walk the walk, not just talk the talk about being concerned about school safety. “We have roller coaster public awareness, public policy, and public funding when it comes to school safety. The question isn’t whether school safety is a priority today and tomorrow,” Trump added. “The question is whether it will be a priority years down the road when there isn’t a crisis in the headlines.” Leaders in both parties in Washington on Friday expressed remorse and disbelief in the tragedy in the tiny suburban Connecticut town of Newtown, where a single 20-year-old gunman walked into the school where his mother taught and killed 20 children and six others before turning the gun on himself. “Our hearts are broken today,” President Barack Obama said, wiping a tear from his eyes as he reacted to the tragedy. “As a country we have been through this too many times. “These neighborhoods are our neighborhoods, and these children are our children. And we’re going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics,” the president added. But last year, his administration took a less muted tone as it submitted its 2012 Education Department budget to Congress that eliminated the Readiness and Emergency Management for Schools (REMS) funding, which for years provided between $20 million and $30 million in annual grants to help schools create emergency and crisis preparation and prevention plans for tragedies just like the one that unfolded Friday. The Education Department’s Web site says it last made REMS grants in 2011. The funding was cut off even though the Government Accountability Office, the investigative arm of Congress, warned in 2007 that many “many school district officials said that they experience challenges in planning for emergencies due to a lack of equipment, training for staff, and expertise and some school districts face difficulties in communicating and coordinating with first responders and parents.” Likewise, the Justice Department over the last 12 years distributed nearly $1 billion in funding to help schools hire police resource officers, install metal detectors and take other countermeasures to prevent tragedies like the Columbine massacre. The town of Newtown, Conn., in fact, took advantage of one of these programs in 2000 when it got $125,000 in funds from the COPS in Schools program, Justice Department records show. But Justice Department officials said the key programs that provided money directly to schools in the aftermath of Columbine have been phased out as of 2012, the last after the 2011 budget year. For instance, the Secure Our Schools program provided more than $110 million in funding to law enforcement agencies to partner with schools for the purchase of crime prevention equipment, staff and student training between 2002 and 2011, officials said. It was ended this year. Likewise, the School Safety Initiative provided more than $53 million between 1998 and 2010 in grants to help state and local agencies with delinquency prevention, community planning and development, and school safety resources – all aimed at preventing violence. The program ended in 2011. Justice Department spokesman Corey Ray said Friday night that the SSI and SOS programs had been funded primarily by congressional earmarks for the last decade and the administration did not seek additional funding to continue the efforts after lawmakers essentially banned most earmarks in 2010. “They were funded through congressionally designated funding (earmarks). They ended in 2010 or 2011 when that process of funding ceased,” he said. The biggest funding program for school violence was the COPS in Schools program, which Ray said provided $811 millions to communities to hire resource officers who worked inside the schools. The targeted funding for schools was ended in 2005 but police are still allowed to apply for broader police hiring money from the general COPS program and then use it to hire school resource officers if they want, Ray said. “As the economy changed, we had agencies asking for all types of positions including school resource officers,” Ray explained. “So we gave our main hiring program the flexibility to include SROs and other positions. So no COPS In Schools, but still some options to hire for those positions.” Some liberal groups have increasingly voiced concerns about the increased spending on police and security at schools. For instance, the Justice Policy Institute, a think tank, wrote a report in 2011 entitled “Education Under Arrest” that concluded that “schools do not need school resource officers to be safe.” White House officials did not return repeated calls and emails Friday night seeking comment on the administration’s rationale for letting the programs lapse. With funding for K-12 schools and law enforcement agencies evaporating, police and schools have partnered in an effort to ensure safety by creating makeshift programs that target at-risk schools. San Diego may provide the most sunshine each year, but it’s also home to multiple K-12 school shootings. San Diego Police Department Lt. Andra Brown said funding for many effective programs succumbed to downsizing and cutbacks. Programs like SOS and DARE are “nice to have,” but aren’t necessarily a “need to have.” The Department has opted to focus on Psychiatric Emergency Response Team or PERT. “The program pairs a health care psychiatrist with a police officer in the field to proactively stop situations from exploding.” While San Diego Police may be working proactively to prevent psychologically unstable adults from major crime sprees, the Sheriff Department takes a different approach. “We are not of the mindset this could not happen here; because it has,” said San Diego Sheriff Public Affairs Director Jan Caldwell. “We work with the school superintendents, principals, staff, and school facility staff members to ensure we have access to the buildings, floor plans and keys to enter when we have to do so.” Caldwell is also part of San Diego County Crime Stoppers and chair of the Students Speaking Out Committee. “This sub-program is tailored to campuses and provides students an avenue to report suspicious activity at their school. This sub program has had a total of 331 cases solved since inception. We’ve removed weapons from campuses, drugs, confronted bullying behavior, solved robberies, burglaries, vandalism, and drug cases.” However, this program depends on the generous donations from large corporations like Target, Sempra Energy, Walmart and the San Diego Chargers. www.washingtonguardian.com |
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"... The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home..." (District of Columbia v Heller). My questions: Is it a federal offense to carry a firearm into a public place or a misdemeanor? Are the concealed carry laws federal or individual state laws. Either way the ramifications of concealed carry licencing flies in the face of the judgement in District of Columbia v Heller. One would like to think that in light of the seemingly escalating violence and death by firearms within the US, legislators, and the population, would see the sense in limiting the availability of certain firearms at least to the general public. Who in their right minds would oppose this? My guess is the corporate arms manufacturers (Sturm Ruger for one) would pore millions into advertising against such a move. When will the American public wake up to the fact that these corporations deal in death only. They are making millions on the deaths of your children. Of course the NRA, and the gun lobby, and the arms manufacturers oppose stringent gun laws, it is in 'their' best interests to do so (not in the interests of the American public!). |
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Change I don't mind discussing things with you but its very hard when you base your arguments on ideology rather than the truth. Ask thumper, softy or anyone else with a gun if they own weapons based on fear. Also, I do not have a permit to carry so my weapons never go into the public. If I had fear of any sort dont you think I would carry? |
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On the one hand, Change and others say take away the right of the individual to own a gun. It's another right given up for the temporary false sense of security. You have already agreed that by banning guns and gun ownership you will only limit guns to the law-abiding citizens. Crimes by guns will still occur, now unabated. On the other hand, the article points out that we entrust our kids to the federal agency- the Department of Education (schools) every day. They have promised to provide education and a safe environment for the kids. Once again, a federal agency is failing... this time to provide a safe environment. (they are already failing in the education department). If the federal government wants to teach our kids, they have the obligation to make it a safe environment. The just had a huge, catastrophic failure in that regard. The BO administration has cut funding for security for schools. My question is: was that a good idea? We do have an economic crisis, that factors in, to consider. |
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dmaestro 17-Dec-12, 09:58 |
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chaz Do you think that is so, except in the classroom? Or, do you not now think it is so? |
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www.breitbart.com He also said: "With our concealed handgun license, if you go through the process and you have been duly backgrounded and trained and you are a concealed handgun licensed-carrying individual, you should be able to carry your handgun anywhere in this state." I find it difficult to understand your lack of understanding of his logic. It seems quite clear. Is it possible that your 'lack of understanding' is... deliberate? |
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Misunderstood, logic? Teachers Union: Sandy Hook Proves Schools Should Be Gun-Free Zones by William Bigelow 18 Dec 2012 The American Federation of Teachers (AFT) has their own solution for preventing tragedies like the Newtown massacre from happening again: no firearms in schools whatsoever. This is not a joke; they actually believe that the next time some deranged, evil psychopath shows up at your child’s school, the best policy is to leave the school utterly defenseless. After Michigan state senators voted last week that citizens who have concealed carry permits can bring them when they visit schools, leftist national AFT president Randi Weingarten joined the president of its Michigan chapter, David Hecker, in stating: "Firearms have absolutely no place in our schools—the Dec. 14, 2012, tragic massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., is a chilling and heartbreaking reminder of this. Permitting firearms in schools—visible or concealed—enables a dangerous set of circumstances that can result in similar tragic outcomes. We should be doing everything we can to reduce the possibility of any gunfire in schools, and concentrate on ways to keep all guns off school property and ensure the safety of children and school employees." This proposal means that teachers could not carry guns, security guards would be kaput, and a gun-carrying parent who might just be on the scene if a killer shows up would be stripped of their power to confront the murderous thug. Rob Harris, media director for Michigan Open Carry Inc. responded: “This kind of tragedy is hard to process, but if one person – a faculty member or a parent – could legally carry, at least it could have limited some of the mayhem.” www.breitbart.com My thoughts: We've learned from United flight 93 and others that you don't have to fearfully cower in a corner, allowing evil to have it's way. When you fight back you can win, foiling evils design. When you cower, you've already lost. |
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dmaestro 18-Dec-12, 17:15 |
The good thing is what matters is public opinion not whether more guns makes us safer. And there we win. Shoot outs in the schools is not a winning political strategy. And we know that. |
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dmaestro 18-Dec-12, 17:36 |
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What do you propose? |
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