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thumper 27-Dec-12, 13:41	The map Map Shows Employees of Paper that Published Map of Gun Owners by Warner Todd Huston 27 Dec 2012 The Journal News of suburban Westchester, New York caused outrage by publishing an interactive map showing the names and addresses of New York's legal firearm owners. In response, a blogger decided to create a map showing the names and addresses of employees of the newspaper. www.newrochelletalk.com The blog, "Talk of the Sound," a New Rochelle, New York-centric website, decided that turnabout was fair play by posting its headlined, "Map: Where are the Journal News employees in your neighborhood?." The map replicates the gun owners map published by the Journal News, replacing gun owners with newspaper employees. When the Journal News published the names and addresses of New York's legal gun owners, the paper claimed that they weren't breaking the law as the information they published was all public record. The paper said it was just too bad if the gun owners felt their privacy was violated. This is, of course, quite true. But the interactive map of the newspaper employees is justifiable using the exact same logic. All the names of the employees are public knowledge and all one needs is a name to find an address, which is generally also in public records that anyone can find. Newspaper employees may be outraged that their privacy was violated, of course, but they didn't seem to care much about privacy when they publicized the names and addresses of New York's gun owners. Naturally, their own argument must be turned right back upon them and that is what "Talk of the Sound" did. Indeed, the newspaper employees are upset, and some are starting to erase their Facebook, Twitter, and Linkedin accounts in response. Of course, none of this would have happened if the paper hadn't decided to act in a political manner in the first place. After all, there is no news in the names and addresses of legal gun owners. These people aren't criminals and these individuals have no bearing on the story of the Sandy Hook massacre. There was one reason and one reason only for the newspaper to publish the names and addresses of New York's gun owners: intimidation. The paper meant to scare these law abiding citizens. It was nothing but a bullying tactic. Worse, by taking this action, the Journal News intended to put New York's law abiding firearm owners on the same level as the murderer at Sandy Hook Elementary. Still, turn about really is fair play. If The Journal can claim a right to publish "public records" then so can bloggers. Another blog, For What It’s Worth, also has an extensive list of Journal News employees. christopherfountain.wordpress.com www.breitbart.com
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 14:36	It is war with the NRA. Tit for tat is name of the game. Lets escalate! It was legal for Mother Lanza to own those guns. Her son could feel no pain or empathy and had out of control tantrums and she knew it. Were she alive they should sue her for damages. Maybe the future parent of another Lanza somewhere will be deterred by people knowing they have a wacko son and guns handy for him to grab and use. Escalation is needed. Gun control bloggers should do the same to all gun owners around the country using public records. Lets get it on!
thumper 27-Dec-12, 15:00	You have a couple hundred thousand hardcores on your side, we have over 20 million. You've been attacking us for years, mostly unopposed and counting on our natural restraint, so think you're untouchable. Now that we're getting a bit irritated with your antics and starting to fight back, you're going to have a chance to test that premise of untouchability. Let's see how that works out for you. "Let's get it on"? LOL, OK.
thumper 27-Dec-12, 15:50	Because I like as fair a match as possible (good sportsmanship, sporting chance and all that) DM, I'll throw you a bone: You want the, "Gun control bloggers (to) do the same to all gun owners around the country using public records"? That is, to publish personal and contact information of all firearms owners. I hope they do. LOL! That would not only piss them off even further, it would be handy information for 'me' don't you think? We live in relative anonymity because we have no need or desire to butt into other people's business or have others butt into ours. Conversely, the radical libtards want anonymity because they prefer to operate in the shadows, trying to impose their ideology from a 'safe' distance. Seriously, you don't seem to be very good at this "asymmetrical warfare tactics stuff". You may consider a vocation change, maybe gun salesman?
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 15:50	The Feinstein gun control bill will force you to register and fingerprint to keep those assault weapons. It will be a long battle but the public will eventually turn against you hardcore gun guys. I hear there is lots of room for mountain cabins out where you are.
thumper 27-Dec-12, 15:54	Force? Really? Don't you mean humbly request?
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 16:00	I think the public need to know who may have dangerous weapons given the increasing violence is in the public interest more than your need for privacy. We will have to see how the public reacts. I think we can win on the assault weapons issue if we frame it properly. I don't know whether bloggers will take up that challenge.
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 16:03	You can keep your assault weapons but you have to register them all as a condition. Seems fair to me.
thumper 27-Dec-12, 16:08	What 'public' are you referring to that 'needs to know"? Over half the public 'have dangerous weapons' ace.
thumper 27-Dec-12, 16:12	"You can keep your assault weapons... " LOL, thank you so much. "... but you have to register them all as a condition." Have to? Really? What if people say 'No'? "Seems fair to me." Not to me.
thumper 27-Dec-12, 16:13	BTW, what is an 'assault weapon'?
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 16:42	The public is the people. We should know who lives among us with access to dangerous weapons for our own safety. Vigilance is required.
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 16:55	Why is it not fair? We need to make sure these weapons don't fall into the wrong hands. If we don't know who has them how can we reduce the risk?
thumper 27-Dec-12, 17:12	Considering your professed ideology, they are already in the 'wrong hands'.   WE don't need YOU to 'make sure of' anything, just like those ATF guys at the gravel pit. You don't know who? Exactly!
dmaestro 27-Dec-12, 17:29	We will find out for our own safety.
thumper 27-Dec-12, 20:22	Feinstein to Introduce Updated Assault Weapons Bill in New Congress Following is a summary of the 2013 legislation: Bans the sale, transfer, importation, or manufacturing of: 120 specifically-named firearms; Certain other semiautomatic rifles, handguns, shotguns that can accept a detachable magazine and have one or more military characteristics; and Semiautomatic rifles and handguns with a fixed magazine that can accept more than 10 rounds. Strengthens the 1994 Assault Weapons Ban and various state bans by: Moving from a 2-characteristic test to a 1-characteristic test; Eliminating the easy-to-remove bayonet mounts and flash suppressors from the characteristics test; and Banning firearms with “thumbhole stocks” and “bullet buttons” to address attempts to “work around” prior bans. Bans large-capacity ammunition feeding devices capable of accepting more than 10 rounds. Protects legitimate hunters and the rights of existing gun owners by: Grandfathering weapons legally possessed on the date of enactment; Exempting over 900 specifically-named weapons used for hunting or sporting purposes; and Exempting antique, manually-operated, and permanently disabled weapons. Requires that grandfathered weapons be registered under the National Firearms Act, to include: Background check of owner and any transferee; Type and serial number of the firearm; Positive identification, including photograph and fingerprint; Certification from local law enforcement of identity and that possession would not violate State or local law; and Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration. www.feinstein.senate.gov
changeling 27-Dec-12, 20:47	thumper Are you for this or against it?
thumper 27-Dec-12, 21:49	I'm still on the fence here. I wonder what the penalty and enforcement mechanism would be for noncompliance.
changeling 27-Dec-12, 22:00	How would they know right? Confiscation coming up!
thumper 27-Dec-12, 22:28	Every firearm purchased from a licensed seller requires the buyer to fill out form 4473 which is administered by BATFE and subjected to an FBI background check. Every CCW holder submits fingerprints and is subjected to another even more rigorous background check. Class III weapons holders are subjected to even more probing after forking over a 'tax' levied for each weapon owned. I assume these records would be cross-referenced with this 'newly created' database looking for 'gaps'. (Dedicated funding for ATF to implement registration) Again, I wonder what the penalty and enforcement mechanism would be for noncompliance.
thumper 29-Dec-12, 15:48	NY Paper to Publish Additional Gun Owners' Names, Addresses by Warner Todd Huston, 29 Dec 2012 The New York newspaper that drew criticism for publishing the names and addresses of hundreds of legal gun permit holders is doubling down by publishing the personal information of even more law-abiding gun owners. To great criticism, the Journal News published an interactive map showing the names and addresses of the legal gun owners in Westchester and Rockland counties just before Christmas. Now the paper has announced it will next publish the names and addresses of permit-holders in Putnam County with an eye toward eventually politicizing the names and addresses of every gun owner in the state. The Journal News has defended its controversial violation of the privacy of New York's legal gun owners by claiming that since the records are open to the public to find in government archives, they should be allowed to publish all the names and addresses. New York State Senator Greg Ball slammed the Journal News, saying that the paper is treating law-abiding citizens like "sex offenders." “The asinine editors at The Journal News, have once again gone out of their way to place a virtual scarlet letter on law abiding firearm owners throughout the region. The immediate elimination of the information posted on the Journal News Website is the only way we can ensure the safety and liberty of these New Yorkers,” said Mr. Ball in a statement. “This is clearly a violation of privacy, and needs to be corrected immediately. The same elitist egg heads who use their editorial page to coddle terrorists and criminals are now treating law abiding citizens like level three sexual predators.” Others have said that the paper has put the lives of the state's gun owners in danger by giving criminals a virtual map to their homes. Several laws are being prepared in the state capital in Albany to make the names and addresses of the Empire State's gun owners private. Al Tompkins of the Florida-based Poynter Institute criticized his fellow journalists in New York for the publication of the gun owners' names, worrying that this abuse of government open records would end up hurting the standing of open records laws with voters and politicians alike. "I suspected that legislative backlash might follow, and it would be a worse mistake than publishing the data," Tompkins said of the possible harm to such laws. A similar situation threatened in Illinois in 2011. The Associated Press had asked anti-Second Amendment State Attorney General Lisa Madigan if it could publish the names and addresses of registered gun owners in Illinois; she agreed and ordered the state police to turn over the records. But the police refused to do so and pleaded with the state legislature to craft some legislation so that they wouldn't have to. Illinois State Senator Kirk Dillard obliged, and a law was quickly written and passed to prevent the state from publicizing the names and address of Illinois gun owners. Even Illinois' anti-gun governor saw the sense and political need to sing the bill. Florida and Tennessee also protect the personal information of registered gun owners. www.breitbart.com
dmaestro 29-Dec-12, 16:11	We are at eternal war with the right wing NRA. Escalation seems appropriate to me. I certainly would like to know how many potential killers are in my area.
thumper 01-Jan-13, 19:33	'Journal News' hires armed security guards By DYLAN BYERS 1/1/13 6:16 PM EST The Journal News of West Nyack, N.Y., has hired armed security guards to defend its offices after receiving a torrent of phone calls and emails responding to the paper's publication of the names and addresses of area residents with pistol permits. RGA Investigations, a private security company, "is doing private security at on location at the Journal News as a result of the negative response to the article," according to a police report first obtained by the Rockland County Times (Nanuet, N.Y.) and shared with POLITICO. The guards "are armed and will be on site during business hours through at least January 2, 2013." Last month, in the wake of last month's elementary school shooting in Newtown, Conn., the Gannett-owned Journal News published interactive maps showing the names and addresses of pistol permit holders in New York's Westchester and Rockland counties. Conservatives and gun rights advocates publicly protested the paper's move; on Monday, the New York State Rifle & Pistol Association called for a nationwide boycott of the paper's advertisers, calling it a “wanton act” that “has put in harm's way tens of thousands of lawful license holders." The Journal News continues to host the map on its website and has said that it will soon add a map listing all pistol permit holders in Putnam County. According to the Clarkstown Police report, filed today, Journal News editor Caryn McBride had "previously reported a large amount of negative correspondence in response to the media outlet's publication of local gun permit holders." McBride shared one email with the police officer from "an unknown subject who wondered what McBride would get in her email now." The officer told McBride the email did not constitute an offense. The Rockland County Times, a Journal News competitor, led its exclusive report citing the juxtaposition of targeting gun ownership while hiring armed guards. "Guns are good for the goose but NOT for the gander," Dylan Skriloff, the Rockland County Times' associate publisher & editor-in-chief wrote. www.politico.com
dmaestro 01-Jan-13, 20:25	You would expect this kind of threat of violent retaliation from these angry gun owners. If there is violence we know who to blame. Exactly why we need to know who you are.
thumper 01-Jan-13, 20:48	What threat is that DM? It is in fact the gun owners are who have been and are being baited and threatened. The constantly provocations by you libs are very obvious to everyone. Your tactic is to subject gun owners to a constant barrage of abuse. You think it's a win-win for you. If pro-gun people don't respond to the constant provocation, you have great fun baiting and continuing heaping abuses on them. If/when they finally respond after years of abuse, you're anxiously waiting to use your 'hole card' counter and scream "SEE, I TOLD YOU THEY WERE VIOLENT AND DANGEROUS!!"
jerry64 05-Jan-13, 09:20	What's ironic is that if the liberal crowd has their way and lets just say for the sake of argument all firearms are confiscated. It will go down like this: Men with guns will come to your house and use force and violence to take your arms. Talk about hypocrits. While they are confiscating guns, they also need to take your baseball bats, claw hammers, chainsaws, and anything else that outnumbers violence from firearms. The same liberals that cower behind the notion that the NRA members are somehow responsible for gun violence should be screaming at every single person that owns a vehicle that goes over 70mph. They are conspiring and knowingly committing attempted vehicular manslaughter. While they're at it, they should also make heroin illegal, that way all the legal heroin users will turn in their heroin. This last election and honestly the one before was proof that no candidate actually won, rather EVERY single American lost. And every single American that hasn't even been born yet has been attacked and stolen from.
jerry64 05-Jan-13, 09:22	@dmaestro, if you want to know how many cold blooded killers are in your area, we should also have an interactive map of the 4,000 abortions that happen daily and where the factory is that performed the executions.
tat3225 05-Jan-13, 11:04	Guys I read an article this morning with quotes from like 7 ex-cons who said that the actions of the newspaper which published the names of gun owners was "the most asinine thing I've ever seen." They said it is guaranteed that professional burglars will absolutely use that list as a guide for where to NOT invade a home, and conversely which houses to rob, or, where to steal guns from during the day when no one is home. I'm sorry but...HAHAHAHA....hahahahahahaha......lawl...
jerry64 05-Jan-13, 11:27	@tat3225. I know this isnt funny, but just think about the person who hates the 2nd amendment and has their home broken into while their neighbor with a firearm witnesses the crime. The neighbor does nothing to help; out of respect for the person who is being robbed and their idiotic beleifs. LOL
thumper 05-Jan-13, 12:01	Inmates Use Newspaper's Gun Map to Threaten Guards by John Nolte 5 Jan 2013, 7:44 AM The entirely predictable consequences of the Journal News' decision to publish a map of gun-owners marches on… Rockland County Sheriff Louis Falco, who spoke at a news conference flanked by other county officials, said the Journal News' decision to post an online map of names and addresses of handgun owners Dec. 23 has put law enforcement officers in danger. "They have inmates coming up to them and telling them exactly where they live. That's not acceptable to me," Falco said, according to Newsday. Robert Riley, an officer with the White Plains Police Department and president of its Patrolman’s Benevolent Association, agreed. "You have guys who work in New York City who live up here. Now their names and addresses are out there, too," he said adding that there are 8,000 active and retired NYPD officers currently living in Rockland County. Local lawmakers also say that they intend to introduce legislation that prevents information about legal gun owners from being released to the public. Please don't offer the Journal News' editorial staff an easy out by claiming they're too dumb or ill-informed to have possibly seen this coming. That a decision to publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners would prove useful to our criminal class had to be part of the editorial team's calculation. But because they're obviously a bunch of out-of-control, anti-gun zealots, they likely considered the fallout worth it. There is one consequence the editors might not have seen coming, though, and that was the map spooking those who didn’t own a firearm into getting one: Legis. Aron Wieder (D-Spring Valley) called the publication of the list "irresponsible journalism" and said he now fears for his safety because the map broadcast that he does not have a gun license. At the news conference Friday morning, he handed a $150 certified check and a completed pistol permit application to Rockland County Clerk Paul Piperato. "I never owned a gun but now I have no choice," Wieder said. "I have been exposed as someone that has no gun. And I'll do anything, anything to protect my family." This is what happens when you allow left-wing activists to control a newsroom. In a fit of misguided, self-righteous indignation, they run amok. This is also what happens when a newsroom operates in what we can only assume is a left-wing bubble. As we all know, the Left's idea of "diversity" never includes a diversity of opinion. So when everyone thinks exactly alike, there's no one with a different and more grounded worldview to talk you down. www.breitbart.com
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