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astinkyfart
01-Jan-13, 19:48

Report released.
The U.S. Senate released a report on Monday that blames the FBI, CIA and other intelligence agencies -- but not the White House -- for the misinformation allegedly contained in talking points that explained the details of the terrorist attack on the U.S. consulate diplomatic in Benghazi, Libya.

U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed in the Sept. 11, 2012, Libya attack.

The Democrat-dominated Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee issued a report that said the White House was only responsible for a "minor change" in the White House talking points.

A number of GOP lawmakers questioned whether the presidential staff rewrote the talking points for political reasons, but they were practically silenced by the Democratic leadership in the Senate and by some so-called moderate Republicans.

"Once again, the Obama administration is being let off the hook in another scandal that would have caused a media frenzy in a GOP presidency. Once again, we have evidence of a biased news media coupled with a spineless opposition party," said former law enforcement and intelligence officer Sid Franes.

The committee also blasted the director of national intelligence for stonewalling the panel of lawmakers by holding back a promised timeline of the talking points changes.

The ambassador to the United Nations, Susan Rice, said she had used the talking points to say in television interviews on Sept.16, 2012, that it may have been a protest that got out of hand.

Rice's bogus explanation forced her to forgo the nomination as Hillary Clinton's replacement in the new Obama term as President. Obama instead nominated Democratic Sen John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, who is expected to be easily confirmed since he's friends with most senators in both political parties.

Security Deficiencies

Officials at the State Department in December acknowledged weaknesses in security as well as errors in judgment exposed in a scathing independent report on the assault.

The Senate report said that on Sept. 19, 2012, eight days after the attack, National Counterterrorism Center Director Matthew Olsen told the Homeland committee that the four Americans died "in the course of a terrorist attack."

At the same time, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland said the department stood by the assessment of the CIA and other intelligence agencies such as NSA.

The next day, White House Press Secretary Jay Carney stated, "It is, I think, self-evident that what happened in Benghazi was a terrorist attack."

Secretary Hillary Rodham Clinton also used the term "terrorist attack" on Sept. 21, 2012.

Olsen's acknowledgement was important, the report said, because talking points prepared by intelligence officials the previous week had undergone major changes.

A line saying "we know" that individuals associated with al-Qaeda or its affiliates participated in the attacks was changed to say, "There are indications that extremists participated."

The talking points dropped the reference to al-Qaeda and its affiliates altogether. In addition, a reference to "attacks" was changed to "demonstrations".
dmaestro
01-Jan-13, 20:18

The only people that thought Obama was sitting there amusing himself with a live feed while ordering rescue forces to stand down was the usual Obama haters. The report shows exactly what you would expect.

softaire
01-Jan-13, 22:07

Stinky
The Kremlin has "journalists" just as devoted to their comrades as our "media" is devoted to BO... it's called Pravda. That's a source "you can trust".
tat3225
01-Jan-13, 23:50

It cannot possibly be a coincidence that the Director of the CIA stepped down two days before his Benghazi testimony. Followed by Hillary Clinton being unable to testify due to illness. At this point, there is no way we will ever know the real deal. The entire thing is strange though, beginning with Patraeus. His resignation is beyond weird.

I am not buying that Patraeus stepped down from CIA Director because he was having an affair. I expected to see that he was having an affair with someone underage, a man, someone young and/or ditzy/not respectable, or with a prostitute. But Paula Broadwell? Why on earth is this scandalous or even interesting beyond being sad that the two of them don't just get divorced and be together and happy already? One media outlet reported that Patraeus got married when he was very young to the daughter of the director or headmaster or whatever at West Point. His marriage has "necessary" and "advantageous" and "Prince Charles-esque" written all over it.

Tiger Woods cheated with strippers and porn stars, and ran his escalade into a tree while fleeing his wife who was attacking with a 9 iron. Arnold Schwarzenegger has an 8 year old love child with the housekeeper. Bill Clinton was getting BJ's from an intern IN the oval office, leaving stains on the interns dress. But Patraeus? He's being scandalized for having an affair with an attractive and normal adult who is a well educated military strategist and author. Patraeus met her while she was writing the strategic operations that ended up turning around the war in Iraq. They've been friends since then and have been having an affair for at least half of that. She spent a lot of time in Iraq and Afghanistan with him. Supposedly she is one of the only people who can keep up with his running pace. So I am not buying for a second that Broadwell was jealous of anyone. Especially not this woman in Florida who doesn't appear to do anything of interest or value. Furthermore, Patraeus is married! If Broadwell was the jealous stalker-type, wouldn't she have gone after his wife years ago? If Broadwell was a woman scorned, she wouldn't have just emailed Kelley in Florida. She would have talked to people. Instead, all she did was email Kelley. Both she and Patraeus fell off the face of the Earth when he resigned. The entire thing doesn't add up. All of it. I don't know one person who faults Patraeus for his relationship with Broadwell. But the things that have surfaced since about Afghanistan.....along with the bizzare Benghazi investigation....those things could stain his actual reputation as a four star General. If he had to testify about Benghazi he could have been put in the position of either saying things that would bring him and others down, or perjure himself. Based on everything I've read about Patraeus and Broadwell, it wouldn't surprise me if they are actually so close that she fell on a massive sword for him to save his reputation. Id believe that before I believe the story that's been given to the press.

Speaking of falling on swords......I can't think of a government agency that could probably take the blame for something and cover things up with little accountability more easily than the CIA.
chaz5
02-Jan-13, 09:24

... how much of what you believe is based upon your partisan biases?
tat3225
02-Jan-13, 10:41

?
How is what I said bias? I said that I am not buying the affair story. That doesn't mean that Obama is involved. I'm saying why it doesn't make sense and that combined with Hillary being unable to testify is just too coincidental. If Obama randomly resigned because he had an affair, wouldn't it be obvious to everyone that there's something else going on? I'm not the only person who thought "who cares?" After hearing about why Patraeus resigned. Two days before Benghazi testimony.
chaz5
02-Jan-13, 11:02

... it's just funny how one side of the aisle finds these "incidents" to be remarkably coincidental, while the other side of the aisle explains them for what they are. So your commentary "looks" biased at worst, partisan at best. IMHO. [... by the way, I'm not taking sides here; both parties do this ... I just wanted to see if you would disclose your intentions honestly.]
softaire
02-Jan-13, 11:07

chaz
You ARE taking sides and you have just accused Tat of being dishonest. Either YOU are being dishonest in your post or you have lost your marbles. I wonder when you will be honest and admit your left-wing liberal bias yourself.

thumper
02-Jan-13, 12:03

That's funny Softie.
chaz5
02-Jan-13, 13:13

Softy ...
... I was pointing out how the post looked biased (it quite likely is) ... and I pointed out how both sides of the aisle do this. How does that make my comments left wing biased? C'mon, Softy ... you know exactly what you're doing ... just more games.
tat3225
02-Jan-13, 14:12

I thought that I did a good job of providing details and reasoning to support my accusation that the Patraeus resignation doesn't add up. What in my post did you find biased Chaz? The fact that I was questioning it in the first place?
dmaestro
02-Jan-13, 14:35

why would everyone including those involved, the FBI, etc all be lying?
astinkyfart
02-Jan-13, 19:04

DM
WHy indeed.
chaz5
02-Jan-13, 19:43

tat ...
... to repeat ... I was pointing out how the post "looked" biased ... not that it was ... hence the original question. It seems those who are finding all these coincidences are conservative and right wing, as you are ... hence the question. I was wondering if you were taking your biases into consideration with your post. But it now seems you're denying your biases, and you claim that you're completely objective ... apparently not. Interesting.
tat3225
02-Jan-13, 20:27

chaz
I'm being anything but biased! Patraeus is a republican. So is Broadwell and everyone else involved in his "scandal". If anything I'm being very unbiased about this.
chaz5
02-Jan-13, 20:36

tat ...
... there was Hillary Clinton and Patreus, not just the CIA Director in your post ... and about Benghazi, not the general's scandal itself ... and then more about yet others (Bill, Arnold, etc). Besides, my question had specifically to do with how "coincidences" were being handled in the press (etc.) with respect to Benghazi ... about how I was observing some biases among those who were discussing these Benghazi issue's "coincidences." Did you misunderstand my inquiry?
tat3225
02-Jan-13, 20:50

I have no idea.
chaz5
02-Jan-13, 22:06

tat ...
... then never mind ... it sounds like you would rather not discuss biases. That's fine.



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