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thumper
24-Jan-13, 22:06

Cross the line?
Here's another great example of how the left like to parse and quibble, playing for the angle to cow and subjugate people. It's so satisfying to argue nuance don't you think? They'll probably bring out a survey team to see if he stepped over his property line. You know they'll access the street camera pointing at his house for footage and 'evidence' of 'wrongdoing'. Nullification anyone?

D.C. man who shot dogs biting boy could face charges. City wants to know if gun he used was legal.
By Andrea Noble
The Washington Times, Wednesday, January 23, 2013

D.C. police are investigating whether a man will face criminal charges for shooting a pit bull that was attacking a child in his neighborhood.

The incident unfolded Sunday afternoon, after three pit bulls attacked an 11-year-old boy as he rode his bicycle through the Brightwood neighborhood of Northwest, according to a police report.

When the man, a neighbor, saw the boy being mauled by the dogs, he went inside his home and got a gun. The man killed one of the dogs. The gunfire attracted the attention of a police officer in the area near Eighth and Sheridan streets, where the attack occurred. The officer responded and shot the other two pit bulls as they continued to attack the boy.

The police report, which did not identify any of the people involved, said the boy suffered severe lacerations. The Washington Post, which first reported the details of the shooting, quoted the boy’s uncle as saying the boy was also shot in the foot.

Metropolitan Police Department spokeswoman Gwendolyn Crump said Wednesday that the entire case, including whether the man legally owned the gun he used to kill the dog, is under investigation.

While public opinion might be supportive of the man’s actions, he could still face significant charges depending on the outcome of the investigation, criminal defense attorney Daniel Gross said.

“I’ve seen cases where people used weapons in defense of others, but the U.S. attorney’s office is not always so understanding,” said Mr. Gross, who represents many clients charged with firearms-related crimes in the District. “There are certain defenses one could try, like self-defense or defense of others, but that wouldn’t really go to whether they charge you.”

The man could face a host of charges depending on the specifics of the case, including whether the gun used is a registered firearm that the man was legally permitted to own, Mr. Gross said. Possession of an unregistered firearm or ammunition is punishable by up to one year in prison and a $1,000 fine, and determining whether the man legally possessed the gun used will likely have greater bearing on the way the case is handled, Mr. Gross said.

Low-level unregistered firearms and ammunition charges generally are prosecuted by the D.C. office of the attorney general, but additional charges could mean the case is bumped up to the U.S. attorney’s office.

“In this case, it would likely be the U.S. attorney’s office, and their discretion is sometimes less than local prosecutors,” Mr. Gross said.

Also to be taken into consideration is whether the man was within his property line when he fired the weapon — a small but significant distinction. Mr. Gross said it could mean the difference in whether he could be charged with carrying a pistol without a license.
www.washingtontimes.com
aussiespud
24-Jan-13, 23:57

How is this an an example of the left (or the right for that matter) doing anything?.. What am i missing here? If he 's found to have broken the law by a Court...he'll suffer the consequences...there would be no shortage of people, myself included, who would put their hand in their pocket to help.
musket33r
25-Jan-13, 02:53

Yes thumper, how does politics come into play here? Any public shooting has to be investigated, police wouldn't be doing their job unless they followed it up thoroughly.
chaz5
25-Jan-13, 06:12

... as we have all come to learn, for some folks, there is something partisan to find in every human action and reaction.

Of course, the gun's legality needs to be determined. Of course, there may be liability for the boy as well. Of course, we must determine what other laws might have been violated.
softaire
25-Jan-13, 07:19

Aussie
This is not necessarily a "left" vs "right" issue. But, it does highlight some of the the differences between "liberal" and "conservative" views on life, actions, responsibilities etc.

The liberal view is that if a good Samaritan sees a child being mauled by three pit bulls and pulls out a gun and stops the kid from being killed, the liberal feels that the good Samaritan should be investigated for possible paperwork violations about the gun. He should face loss of his weapon, large monetary fines, and possible jail time.

The conservative view is that the good Samaritan should be thanked for his civic duty and then told to go about his business.

That contrast is about in line with many of the other asinine views liberals have too. It is consistent with their stupidity (imho).

thumper
25-Jan-13, 08:11

Yes, I suppose you're right.
They obviously need to pull the shooter's medical and psychological records in order to 'understand' if there were any warning signs of potentially violent tendencies. They need to do a thorough background check on him to find any wrongdoing of any kind. They need to toss (search) his house in case there are any more weapons, contraband, prescription drugs or ammunition present.

They need to trace the gun's serial number in order to know which FFL dealer to raid. Everyone in his family and circle of friends needs to have a thorough background check and investigations conducted on them to determine if they have any weapons he may have access to or if they have any medical or psychological problems the authorities need to know about.

There are also noise ordinance, disturbing the peace, animal cruelty and child endangerment laws as well as a slew of other laws, rules and ordinances that could well have been violated by this wanton and reckless act.

We can't have such obviously violence prone people running around with deadly weapons thinking they can take the law into their own hands. Something has to be done to curb such lawlessness.

Even though Heller struck down D.C.s handgun ban and ruled that the Second Amendment acknowledges and guarantees the right of the individual to possess and carry firearms, D.C. City Council immediately after the fact enacted a broad set of 'rules' regulating, controlling and micromanaging the possession of handguns that have yet to 'work their way through the courts'.

Who is this guy to break those rules, enacted for his, all the people around hims good? God I love this free country we live in.  
tat3225
25-Jan-13, 08:15

Well, I think the lesson we have all learned here is that if we see a boy being attacked by dogs, the appropriate response is to ignore it and do nothing to avoid accidentally getting in trouble.

I suppose its pointless to even ask but what if the man had thrown knives or darts at the dogs, or had a crossbow? Or a bag of angry cats with paws full of talons?

thumper
25-Jan-13, 08:29

You said it better than i did Softie, thanks.
thumper
26-Jan-13, 11:26

The owner of the three pit bulls was fined $175 for failure to leash his dogs...
aussiespud
26-Jan-13, 19:29

Thanks Softy, that does help. It's good to see that the dog owner copped a penalty. The issue will now be if the guy that shot the dog gets a more severe one. Surely your courts have some discretion in matters such as these?
astinkyfart
26-Jan-13, 19:45

The man
should receive no punishment. He tried to save the life of a child. I would use any means necessary legal or illegal to save a child. Some of you wouldn't jay walk to save your own damn mother.
musket33r
26-Jan-13, 19:49

He hasn't received any punishment yet, he's just being investigated for it. This wouldn't even make the news had this had happened at any other time. Police have a duty to investigate all possible breaches of the law and then work out whether to press charges, not the other way around.

chaz5
26-Jan-13, 19:50

... how did the boy get shot in the leg? Or, do we dismiss it (it wasn't stated in the report as fact)?
aussiespud
26-Jan-13, 20:01

Stinky
Just so we are clear, I too would have shot that dog. I would have also copped the consequences if I was found to have broken the law.
softaire
26-Jan-13, 21:58

chaz
I would imagine that with three pit bulls mauling him, one was probably mauling the leg. If I were shooting that dog, I might miss and hit the leg with one of the shots, especially if there was movement. Do you think they were just sitting still while they were mauling the boy? Was the boy just sitting still?

But, are you implying some sort of blame on the shooter? Because THAT is exactly what it seems like.
thumper
27-Jan-13, 00:54

A responding officer shot the other two as they continued the attack. Did one of his shots hit the kid? Was the kid even hit by a bullet?



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