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aussiespud
10-Feb-13, 18:27

Softy
I'm probably a bit to the left of you (although not much).....that still had me in stitches  
ace_kyi
10-Feb-13, 18:53

softy
Global war on terrorism (GWOT) started during Bush presidency in 9/11/2001 when Al Qaeda attacked and collapse of the WTC twin towers. Bush declared war on terrorism. One can questions the legality of GWOT. Bush said that we have the rights to defend ourselves and fight the terrorists anywhere, anytime in the world. 9/11 terrorist attack was very classic and well planned, more than Hollywood can imagine. If there is an imminent threat and attack by terrorists we have the rights to eliminate it so that it will not repeat again. Can you imagine if we go thru the books and legal system we will be vulnerable to such attacks. For example, Bin laden was elusive for over ten years. Our navy seals sneaked and killed him without the knowledge of Pakistani government. It will be ludicrous to think that everybody including GOP might oppose President's drone attack. What I see is technology is way ahead but legislature and lgegal systems lag behind. I am sure there will be bipartisan review and co-ordianation for future drone attacks. If GOP or any senior politicians oppose the plan and there is the terrorist attack, it will be political disaster and political suicide for them. I believe we can make the laws for drone attack so that our nation will be safe and secure. It is irrelevant whether the terrorists are Americans or foreigners. In this space age we have to be swift in defending our nation.
illinawek
10-Feb-13, 18:55

Just for the record. I am not against rendition.

I am a bright line kind of guy.

I really don't care too much what happens to our enemies. I am from the old school where you destroy the enemy, not try to be nice to them.

If those guys get shipped off to a place where they don't respect human rights, I am not too worried about that, just so long as the USA isn't the one doing the torturing.
illinawek
10-Feb-13, 19:00

Thumper
I would say that the war on terror is not like the "war" on poverty or the "war" on drugs.

The difference is the war on terror is a real war, not a metaphoric war. Now there are rules of war that need to be followed, but short of that, anything goes, including the summary execution of those who are at war with the United States, if it helps us win the war, whether they are citizens or not.
softaire
10-Feb-13, 21:57

Illi
"I really don't care too much what happens to our enemies. I am from the old school where you destroy the enemy, not try to be nice to them. "

I knew I like you for a reason!
thumper
10-Feb-13, 23:35

Manhunt highlights enforcement weaknesses against determined resistance
Christopher Jordan Dorner
February 8, 2013
By: David Codrea

One man has done this.

The ongoing manhunt for murder suspect and former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Jordan Dorner is revealing systemic weaknesses and flaws reminiscent of the Beltway sniper attacks of over a decade ago. Not only has the presumed armed and dangerous suspect successfully eluded a massive dragnet involving police from all over Southern California, to the ski resort community of Big Bear, and now potentially “across three state and into Mexico,” but a panicked reaction in multiple incidents reveals police in the process of protecting their own posing a real danger to the public.

The shooting of two newspaper delivery women illustrates just how jittery the searchers are, and how desperate, when it’s obvious the “shoot first”-mentality officers did not see a suspect they could identify and yet opened fire anyway. The hail of bullets left the truck riddled with holes and opens the question of who else was endangered by bullets that missed it or went through it. And this wasn’t just a one-time mistake: Trigger-happy Torrance cops reportedly did the same thing to another citizen in different part of town.

Another incident, this time in San Diego, involved another innocent citizen having his life endangered in what was initially described as a barricade situation, but turned out to be a case of mistaken identity.

One man has done this, and people are noticing. Aside from an attitude among panicky enforcers that appears to regard public safety as an expendable inconvenience when they perceive a real or imagined threat to themselves, people are noticing how much illusion and presumptions have to do with state power. For many, it is a “Behold, a god who bleeds” moment.

Those noting it include true enemies, foreign and domestic, who see vulnerabilities and fears to exploit.

It’s also noted by those of us who understand what is fundamentally necessary for the security of a free State, and who view coerced confiscations such as have been proposed in the past and in recent weeks as an ultimatum to surrender our very freedoms or suffer the consequences at the hands of enforcers who are appearing less and less omnipotent. That is unacceptable to people who do not want trouble but have no intention of disarming, and who would view any attempt to force that as an intolerable act to be defied, and ultimately, to be resisted.

The deterrent effect of an armed citizenry as a last resort appeal against tyranny is often derided by those who don’t have a clue about what such individuals could accomplish in defense of their liberties. It’s derided even more strongly, and tellingly, more desperately, by those who do, and who see and are shaken to their cores by the vulnerabilities just one armed former police officer/citizen disarmament zealot has exposed.
www.examiner.com

With that said, consider this:

POLICE plan to use spy drones in the hunt for a Rambo-style ex-soldier and policeman who has murdered three people and vowed to kill again.
By: Mike Parker
Published: Sun, February 10, 2013

Yesterday, as a task force of 125 officers, some riding Snowcats in the rugged terrain, continued their search, it was revealed that Dorner has become the first human target for remotely-controlled airborne drones on US soil.

A senior police source said: “The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack.” Asked directly if drones have already been deployed, Riverside Police Chief Sergio Diaz, who is jointly leading the task force, said: “We are using all the tools at our disposal.”

The use of drones was later confirmed by Customs and Border Patrol spokesman Ralph DeSio, who revealed agents have been prepared for Dorner to make a dash for the Mexican border since his rampage began. He said: “This agency has been at the forefront of domestic use of drones by law enforcement. That’s all I can say at the moment.”...

The thermal imaging cameras the drones use may be our only hope of finding him. On the ground, it’s like looking for a needle in a haystack....
www.express.co.uk

Read the subtext of whats going on. They're really working hard trying to paint this guy as some highly trained military SF 'Rambo' (The truth, this guy was a plain-Jane, marginally skilled, run of the mill, Navy harbor patrol-boat team member that couldn't make weight. Too much body fat. And only a couple years as a cop). They're spinning that super-stud spin into 'proof' that using drones is good. All the while, these inept people who want more firepower are frantically and fearfully shooting and rousting people at will.
All this over 1 man.

In this same time period, there have been 10 murders in Chicago and not a peep.

I smell a manipulation rat scurrying around.
thumper
18-Feb-13, 09:06

"I don't intend to" strike on American soil... but... "There are no geographic boundries" for drone strikes.
www.breitbart.com
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