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dmaestro
15-Feb-13, 07:33
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 Uncompromising...
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Want a cookie?
Maestro posting something like this or caring about something like this is a way to bully your opponent by accusing them of something and crying unfairness. You're trying to manipulate. Its also called whining. Meanwhile it has nothing to do with any real issue.
Liberals do this all the time. The hilarious part is that they keep doing it despite it being ineffective. Democrats have created their own problems in Congress. They made their beds and now they have to sleep in it.
Anyway, *yawn* keep crying and whining. As you've seen, it's white noise to the GOP at this point. Zzzzz
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Tat
I have to disagree.
They have whined they have cried, the have claimed racism they have vilified republicans with a very effective propaganda crusade. They will be in office 8 years when they are done. It works.
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dmaestro
15-Feb-13, 18:54
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We are well aware conservatives don't listen and believe their own hype. This isn't about convincing conservatives. As I have repeatedly said there are organic perceptual differences with conservatives thinking patterns that preclude basic agreement. So, it is about exposing and framing conservatives as the rigid and oppressive people that they are, similar to the Taliban, to people who do not share their thinking patterns. It is a war the right started but we do not intend to lose and demographically we are in a good position to turn the tables on the right. All is fair in war as your side demonstrates well.
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Well, there really is not win in any situation of "compromise" with a liberal, so it really shouldn't be surprising. This isn't rocket science. The conservative position is "A" and the liberal position is a change all the way at "B"
A---------------------------------B
Then any point "C" along the line towards B is a "win" for the liberal
A----C----------------------------B
A----------------C----------------B
A----------------------------C----B
Which is the modus operandi for Fabian Socialism, given enough time, and "compromise", the theory goes, you'll eventually get to B . . .
At some point the conservative figures out the game and stops compromising, or decides that because they do not "B" they will move no further. Game over.
The Constitution is not set up so that you have to compromise because you just *have to* - it's set up so that if you want to effect some big change or law, you need to have lots of people on board for it. It protects the conservative position because it is cautions of big move and shifts, as it should be, given the nature of these things throughout history.
Don't have enough people in congress to get your agenda through? Cry about it. Deal with it. Liberals created the acrimonious, scorched-earth political battle field bed and now they shall have to sleep in it. Cause and effect.
Adults live in the real world.
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Good one... thanks.
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dmaestro
15-Feb-13, 19:56
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Tat--No we are actually counting on your uncompromising scorched earth McCarthyist tactics against a majority, disabling the government, to bring major changes. At some point the majority will lose patience with your extremism and demand that elections have consequences and the blowback will be severe. History will blame you for the decline just as surely as Herbert Hoover and Joe McCartty are discredited. I accept that as the best pragmatic outcome possibel and that caving to the right is morally irresponsible.
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Well put JD. (sorry, I just can't call you 'prog')
Many of us realized this years ago. To me they're just yappy little dogs.
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dmaestro
15-Feb-13, 20:40
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Yappy little dogs who will have more votes than you. The tyranny of the minority will be broken eventually. The breakdown of comity in all parts of government will have consequences.
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Yes, I understand liberals get to vote multiple times. Some so assured they're even bragging about it. In some precincts over 100% voted and all votes went to democrats.
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dmaestro
15-Feb-13, 21:38
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Change is coming
Prog,
As we have discussed before an increasing urban and civilized world will naturally turn more towards democratic socialism and away from selfish counterproductive individualism suited for the isolated rural environment. Along with that we will see less tolerance for counterproductive obstructionism. Furthermore the Asian economic model of state capitalism will supersede the outdated free market ideas. In a coming information age world where doctors in Asia will perform remote diagnostics and robotic surgery for less worldwide, the refutation will become evident.
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What confuses me is that DM complains about the "tyranny of the minority" ....which I would have thought was pretty difficult in a democracy.....and Thumper, in a post I recall reading earlier, complains about the tyranny of the majority.....each side thinks that it's under siege from the other....
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What post of mine would that be Aussie? I don't remember complaining about, 'the tyranny of the majority'.
Could you bring it forward?
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I'll go back and try and find it....from memory it was about democracy vs the republic.....it was a while ago,
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dmaestro
15-Feb-13, 22:20
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It is not difficult to have a tyranny of the minority in the USA. Alaska has the same number of senators as California despite having only 1/50th the population and a supermajority is needed to pass anything. House districts are gerrymandered. And a snall minority has veto power over nominations in a two party system die to polarizarion. It is theoretically possible to elect a President who loses the popular vote in a landslide but wins enough small states.
The civil war was settled by war; the slave states actually could have maintained slavery indefinitely if they had not rebelled. As it was the Jim Crow south thrived for a century because of the tyranny of the minority.
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Aussie
'The “Majority Opinion” Is An Illusion'
Thanks for bringing that forward. Softie points out that the Constitution can't be amended in such a way that it's contrary to its original purpose. And that purpose is to protect the individual from a tyrannical government, AND from the "majority".
What he's saying is very true.
My point in the OP was that most of the claimed “Majority Opinion” is actually an illusion foisted upon us, in an attempt to manipulate and deceive, by those trying to gain or retain power. Basically, there is often no (real) majority and when there is, it's often temporarily fabricated (and quickly evaporates) by those with megaphones trying to manipulate the populous.
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