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elyhim 07-Mar-13, 10:37	Thematic Modern Benoni I thought it would be a good idea for the masters to demonstrate how to play a hypermodern way of playing chess. I promise you all that this game will be full of fire and brimstone. Here is the starting position: 1.D4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 white to play
brigadecommander 07-Mar-13, 11:01	brigadecommander vs elyhim here is info on the opening;en.wikipedia.org. ;www.youtube.com
brigadecommander 07-Mar-13, 11:31	link to the game ;gameknot.com
elyhim 07-Mar-13, 11:35	White declares her intentions! 7. f4!? Bg7 8.Bb5+ If white wants to give himself the best chance to win then it is this line. White plays what I call the flick-knife attack. This Bb5+ is suppose to be uncomfortable for black but I actually think it hinders white more that black. I chose the main line with 8...Nfd7 because I believe that 7.f4 and 8.Bb5+ are nothing more than fear mongering. Just watch how I send the LSB back to his home with her tail between her legs. I hope white is in for a fight because I have no intention of just sitting back and let her come at me. From move 8 on I intend to wrestle the initiative away from her and keep for the rest of the game.
brigadecommander 07-Mar-13, 11:51	so be it clamabunt stragemque! et dimit canes Belli!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
stalhandske 08-Mar-13, 00:30	Taimanov variation brigadecommander gives a sharp reply to elyhim's challenge. I may be forgiven for my poor Latin, but I think she says: "They will shout butchery! and dismiss the war dogs" brigadecommander has chosen the Taimanov variation of the Modern Benoni. In the period 1950 to now (and with quite a broad database) it has been won by white in 49% of the cases, by black in 28%. Also, a (so far) cursory look at the position gives me the same impression, i.e. it will be a hard task for black to win this one. Of course, elyhim is more highly rated by ~100 points, which might balance the outcome. Nevertheless, my money is on white. If black wins I will lift my hat in admiration   At any rate, this will be a very interesting game that I highly recommend for everyone in our Club to follow, and also to comment upon.
stalhandske 08-Mar-13, 07:06	correction brigadecommander corrects my Latin. Her phrase is from Shakespeare's "Julius Caesar", and means something to the effect of "attack with frenesy and unleash the dogs of war" (this is my interpretation). "The dogs of war" were not really meant to be dogs (canine), but the poor soldiers, I think.
elyhim 08-Mar-13, 07:25	Now what! position after 8....Nfd7 9. a4 0-0 10.Nf3 Na6 11. 0-0 Nc7 Both sides are equally developed but black is closer to playing his b7-b5 than white is in playing her e4-e5. So the idea of Bb5+ has IMO has failed. Now white will have to now have waste a tempo to regroup. So why did I choose 11...Nc7. Well 11...Nb4 which is favored by engines does nothing to help achieve the important b7-b5 break. And 11...a6?! is punished by 12.Bxd7+! Bxd7 13. f5! Kasparov-Nunn, Lucerne Olympiad 1982
bwaa 08-Mar-13, 07:29	Benoni Ohh, I'm glad you are playing one of these demo games in the Benoni. ptitroque and I have been playing it to get a feel for the opening, and so far every game has been really exciting. Following this one with interest!
ptitroque 08-Mar-13, 07:35	@bwaa Same for me
stalhandske 08-Mar-13, 07:36	this reminds me ...of a discussion elsewhere with charleshiggie. I don't really see why the early Bb5+ here would be a loss of tempo just because the bishop will move elsewhere later. That move was a good one at the time it was made. Now, later, this bishop's position is no longer the best one. I think this is rather happening all the time in chess.
elyhim 08-Mar-13, 07:40	About the tempo of Bb5+ If you look at it White has moved the bishop twice and black has move his knight twice. So white has not gained a tempo. However, the real point of Bb5+ is to deflect the black knight from f6 to d7 where it is less active. It blocks the LSB from going to g4.
stalhandske 08-Mar-13, 07:45	About the tempo of Bb5+ Precisely right! So, therefore white's move Bb5+ was not a loss of tempo. Nor do I think that "regrouping" the bishop (now) can really be counted as a loss of tempo. But I am here to learn, so let me know where I fail.
brigadecommander 08-Mar-13, 08:03	Fog i really don't know enough about this opening. The databases helped but, elyhim seems to be tacking away from the main line. I had been expecting 11....Nb4! and went over about 8-games in this line. But he played Nc7 instead. So Sono gli uomini che sono volubile!!!!
stalhandske 08-Mar-13, 08:12	well, well as I have pointed out before, it is a point home in itself to surprise your opponent! Especially, when the surprise brings the game out of datas bases! I don't know how much that is worth, but in a tight situation it could even be decisive.
elyhim 08-Mar-13, 08:17	1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nc7 12. Bd3 a6
elyhim 08-Mar-13, 08:22	Deleted by elyhim on 08-Mar-13, 08:22.
archduke_piccolo 08-Mar-13, 20:34	All this has been happening... ... too quickly for me to follow. The Modern Benoni has long been one of my favorite openings, heavily influenced by the likes of GMM Mikhail Tal and David Bronstein. Unfortunately, my theory is way out of date. However I did complete a game as Black a few weeks ago: game
brigadecommander 08-Mar-13, 21:21	nice nice game Ion!!!
archduke_piccolo 08-Mar-13, 21:35	Ah yes... ... I have seen this line before: game.
brigadecommander 08-Mar-13, 21:58	gives me headaches its called the Taimanov variation,aka;flick/knife. Still this modern Benoni makes me uncomfortable. I don't encounter it much and when i do it gives me worries. Same thing happens when i play against the Sicilian.;game this game caused me much stress. The draw was offered and i jumped on it...whew was i glad.
elyhim 09-Mar-13, 13:59	1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 c5 4. d5 exd5 5. cxd5 d6 6. e4 g6 7. f4 Bg7 8. Bb5+ Nfd7 9. a4 O-O 10. Nf3 Na6 11. O-O Nc7 12. Bd3 a6 13. Re1 Re8 14. Be3 Rb8 I am still within my working memory here, but I wonder if my opponent will be able to see through the massive amount of complicated lines.
brigadecommander 09-Mar-13, 14:06	i will manage i think. I am good with a sword i will have to do a lot of work and study of course. I am a workaholic not a prodigy. Thank you elyhim for the great opportunity to play such an exciting game.
elyhim 09-Mar-13, 14:10	Yes it is very exciting. I have played the Benoni since childhood and know these lines like the back of my hand. As I am sure you are finding out now is that there is like 13 different branches of relatively unexplored lines in this variation alone.
brigadecommander 09-Mar-13, 14:19	yes i am finding that out. i will have to take more time as a consequence. My brother 'battlefleet' used to play this black defense in OTB in his younger days.
elyhim 09-Mar-13, 14:44	Tit for Tat position after 15. Bf2 b5 There are tactics all over the board. In correspondence chess this not much of a problem but over the board or blitz it's a nightmare.
archduke_piccolo 09-Mar-13, 14:48	Good! Slow down!! Please. The exchanges are too brisk for me to keep up. The game I posted on 8 March was exciting enough. It will be interesting to see who diverges from that game, and why. It will also be instructive for me to see how elyhim improves upon my play, supposing, of course, he diverges first.
brigadecommander 09-Mar-13, 14:49	I AGREE The databases suggest 16.axb5 with advantage for white.But that seems too tame. So i play 16.e5 and complicate further. This is the natural flow of play for white,to go up the middle. At least that is what i get from looking at many modern GM games.
archduke_piccolo 09-Mar-13, 14:57	I see I was already behind the fair: ... the divergence has already happened. My opponent played 13.Kh1 instead of Janet's 13.Re1 Still and all, my game against caxxxxx will give some idea of the strategic motifs behind the opening.
elyhim 09-Mar-13, 15:01	Go ahead I dare you! position after 16. e5 c4 Black and white are now going toe to toe and neither side is backing down!
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