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What if white brings her f rook on h3 and the knight on f3 ang g5 ? (those two pieces don't seem to me necessary for white's left wing defense) ?
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Black moves 15...Na7 and White plays 16.Rh3
In my assessment the Position is equal,with chances for both sides.
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@ptitroque
shhhh, she might hear you
I think you might well have captured some of White's plan. I indeed anticipate Rh3 and Nf3 from White, but if you promise not to tell her, Black intends to put his knight on e4 (that was an original plan mentioned ages ago!), among other things to prevent intrusion of a foreign knight at g5. To do that the N at e4 needs another knight at d6 to back him up......(that's where Na7 is actually heading!). Remember that Stalhandske was a master of cavallery attacks
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note (ouch!)
My above message was sent BEFORE the one by brigadecommander
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that's ok stal
i am cognisant of John Bufords Cavalry movements. And have them under observation.
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@brigadecommander
Excellent! Young Buford was a good pupil of mine - 200 years later
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black moves 16...Nc8 and Black plays 17.Nf3
Black begins a transfer of a Cavalry formation to the center and white does the same.
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yes, I know, I know
that it is spelled cavalry, but in the goode olde days it was spelled cavallery
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hit the pause botton! What has changed
Black to move
1.Material is equal no side has the advantage.
2.No direct threats yet though white's attack on the kingside is building, black has not direct threats but the queenside still remains to be an enduring possibility.
3.The safety of kings has yet to be of significant value. With white committed to a kingside attack the probability of further weakness on both king positions remain high.
4.There are no open files or diagonals. While the white rook sits on h3 bearing down on h7 the probability of forcing a weakness on the h-file is low due to the fact that white must sacrifice 1 or 2 minor pieces to gain access to the black king. This coupled with the black bishop x-raying h4 and g5 ensures that any invasion by the knight via h4 or g5 is easily met.
5.Black's pawn structure is slightly better than whites due to the bind on d3. This ensures that white's LSB remains behind bars. Futhermore, because most of white's pawns are on darks squares this ensures for the foreseeable future that white's DSB see no action. All the strong points of e4,e5, g4 and g5 are currently being contested by both sides. Which means that neither player has an advantage here. Though it would seem that the first player to secure a strong would have the advantage. As for weak squares neither side can do much damage to c3 or h7. However, the backward d6 pawn is much safer now that a white knight is not on e5.
6.It is here that the most significant changes have occurred. In order to secure the rook on h3 white had to give up his centrally dominant knight on e5 for black's less active LSB. Furthermore, Black's queen's knight is going to the strong post on d6 which will for the moment give black the greater influence in the center.
7.white by exchanging his Dominate knight for black's LSB has secured the Bishop pair. Which it the position opens up will become an asset. However, black does have the knight pair which in the current position and for the near foreseeable future is of greater value. As for space white has achieved to gain more space on the kingside which is necessary for a successful attack on the black king. As for piece harmony I would say that black is slightly better due to his connected rooks, knights and Queen+bishop. While white still has some considerable work to do in order to catch up to black in this regard.
General conclusion: As it presently stand black is better due to his greater central dominance. White can not hope to mount a successful attack if the center is not under his control. Futhermore, with a knight on d6 and f6 black dominates on both sides of the board. Plus, black still retains greater potential on the queenside. White must continue with his plan to make space gaining moves on the kingside. While black must counter this with controlling the center and if white does try to attack on the kingside black must exchange pieces while avoiding pawn weaknesses.
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i agree more or less
with this analysis. I would only differ in that White can (if black does not block the the queenside with pawns) find employment for both Bishops in that theater. Having stated this small point, think your analysis is flawless. I haven't played this opening since i was 1750, as it has no bite against good play. But as a learning tool for 800-1700 rated players it can teach many useful stratagems. And these can spill over into other openings.Thank you elyhim for your concise evaluation.
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black plays 17...Nd6 and White moves 18.Ne5
Black places both his Cavalry brigades in synchronous central positions and White places a Assault Helicopter formation on e5. The Tempo gain will be used by white to complete his development.
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18...Qe1
seems indicated for Black, followed by perhaps 19.Ba3 and possibly a transfer of the Ra1 to the kingside. The issue I'd have as White here is that ...Ne4 will be very strong, and White will be forced to spend time defending the weak c3 pawn. So maybe 19.Bb2 is better, even though the Bishop is still badly stifled there.
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position after 18.Ne5
Many thanks to elyhim for another very insightful analysis! I hope that he will do it later on again, because this is really what makes this match worthwhile to follow for everybody (and that includes me!). The only little detail that I don't agree with is that black would stand better, I mean significantly better. In my view the position is equal, where the opportunities and drawbacks that elyhim mentions for both sides balance each other. For example, whites DSB looks to be really "out of it", but moving via d2 and e1 it could easily be maneuvered to support a kingside attack. Exactly the same type of maneuvre that black's LSB attempted earlier before it got "neutralised".
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@bwaa
I agree that it is now time for 18....Qe8 (which I'm sure is what you meant), which was a "natural move" already discussed much earlier with myevilluck. I do not agree with brigadecommander that the 18. Ne5...Qe8 sequence would constitute a gain of tempo for White (or a corresponding loss of tempo for Black) just because White's move forces the Black queen to move, because the latter was on her way to e8 in any case
I think we can all see how tension builds up now, especially on the kingside......
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@stalhandske
Indeed, 18...Qe8 was what I meant. As you said, the BQ was headed there already.
I do wish you could edit posts in these threads XD
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editing
I think that one can edit only up to the point when the "Preview" is over and "Post Now!" is executed. After that the only way is to delete the message altogether (and make a new one). At any rate, no harm is done whatsoever! On the contrary, it is very nice that this game is followed by others, whose contributions give colour and more value to the entire exercise !
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Prehaps I should clarify
When I said that black stands better I mean that he stand not significantly better but between slightly and better. I do believe that black's greater central control balances the position and under estimated queenside potential gives him better chances. As for this game I(most likely because of the analysis) have a strong hunch on what white plans to attempt to do on the kingside. It will be interesting to see how the position develops. As for the semi forced 18. ...Qe8 it has a much great significance to white's plans than just sheer tempo and that is all I am going to say about that.
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18....Qe8 19. Bb2
brigadecommander has by mistake posted these latest moves on a separate (new) thread. I am sure she will move it here as soon as she wakes up
Whilst 18....Qe8 was expected (see above discussion), 19. Bb2 comes as a surprise to me although it was mentioned earlier by bwaa. His motivation was that it may be better than Bd2 due to the expectation that black moves a knight to e4. The downside, however, is that white's DSB is completely "passé" at b2, whereas at d2 (which I had expected) it could be maneuvered to support a kingside attack (discussed above, too).
It would be interesting to hear brigadecommander's motivation, as well as comments from others.
At any rate, I think black can now continue with the original cavalry (spelling!) plan, and he moves 19...Nfe4
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19. Bb2
If white needs her Q for a kingside attack (ot whateverelse she has in mind....) and wants to keep a guarding rook on the a file, Bb2 is better.
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@ptitroque
Excuse my stupidity, but I don't understand why a bishop at b2 would be better for those purposes than a bishop at d2
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@stahandske
I might be wrong but It seems to me the Bd2 could be under menace of an eventual knight e4 and therefore needs support from the queen or the rook. With Bb2 you don't have this problem.
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Black played 18...Qe8 and white,19.Bb2 and Black, ...19...Nfe4.
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White now plays 20.Raf1
White having completed her development, transfers another Armored Formation to her right flank For 'Possible' employment in this theater of Operations.
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@ptitroque
OK, I understand now; the same concern that was also voiced by bwaa
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The Bishop on b2
If i had put the Bishop on d2 with the idea of moving it to the Kingside, the Black Knight on e5 would still be attacking c3 and my Rook on a1 would be blocked in on a1.
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Black moves 20....g5
In order to win in this type of drawish position, one side had to take some chances. To this end Black sends an Infantry column forward with g5. White welcomes this advance. She will soon begin a War of maneuver. But first it must be planned. To be Announced shortly,
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20....g5
I agree with brigadecommander. The 60,000 $ question is, however, whether this advance was premature. At least so far I don't think so.
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i have to look at 4 possibilities and there sub variations
fxg5 or Rh6 or g4 or a5. These alone create a huge number of variations. I will need time to evaluate. In any event it it adds life to a very drawish position.
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White plays 21.g4
and the Battle commences.
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