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Stonewall match #2 9....Ng4
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brigadecommander
17-Jan-13, 08:40

Stonewall match #2 9....Ng4
We begin in the same position as the first match with colors reversed. Black plays 9....Ng4. As was indicated in the first match it is by far a better move then b4.




stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 09:12

e3 must be defended
9...Ng4 is indeed strong and white ponders between 10. Qe2 (which brigadecommander did in game #1) or 10. Qe1 or 10. Re1. 10. Ng5 is an interesting counter-attack that exposes black's undefended knight to the white queen, in which case 10...Bxg5 would result in 11. Qxg4. However, 10....f5 is much better, and makes the 10. Ng5 not worth the while.
stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 09:21

incidentally....
for those who wondered that 1) e3 must be defended and yet 2) 10. Ng5 is possible (where e3 remains undefended), please note that if 10. Ng5 Nxe3 11. Bxh7+ after which white is winning. The h7 square is indeed the "classical" square of attack in Stonewall.
stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 09:24

just to be different
I move 10. Qe1 (instead of brigadecommander's 10. Qe2)
brigadecommander
17-Jan-13, 09:27

interesting choice
i had seriously considered this in our last game.
stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 09:31

but why?
Qe1 (apart from protecting e3) leaves the possibility of participatimng in kingside attack via Qg3. The alternative, Qe2, has the advantage of freeing row 1 for the rooks. I'd much appreciate Janet's opinion and comment here!
brigadecommander
17-Jan-13, 09:42

both moves have good points.
i would consider the g3 square just as good a staging point as f3. Plus Whites Queen will be staring right into the face of Blacks King on this square. The Black Knight cannot stay on g4. It can be driven away. The down side is the Queen on g3 blocks the g-pawn. But the White Queen doesn't 'have too' go to g3 right away. All this lends itself to a very interesting game.
brigadecommander
17-Jan-13, 09:47

White moves 10.Qe1. Black plays 10....f5
i think any other move by black to be somewhat dangerous. Though Bd7 cannot be called an error.



stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 09:51

for outside lookers
Please, note that brigadecommander and I do not communicate privately about our moves before they are done, so in that sense this is a real game (as the one before), with two notable exceptions. First, we start from a position that (I think) neither of us likes very much, but one that has general interest, and secondly, we comment on the moves along the way, which is obviously not allowed in "real games".
stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 10:00

good move
having made 10...f5 myself in the previous game (only difference 10. Qe1 instead of Qe2) I cannot disagree that this is a good move. When I made it in game #1, I was having Dutch defense constellations in mind. Now it is all against me  
stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 10:09

time to chase off the black knight
h3 will do that
brigadecommander
17-Jan-13, 10:41

White moves 11.h3, Black,11....Nf6
the Black Knight is better positioned at f6 then h6 (in regards to the e4 square) And in its relationship to the Center.

ptitroque
17-Jan-13, 13:21

Nice to follow
stalhandske
17-Jan-13, 23:58

@ptitroque
Both brigadecommander and I are VERY pleased if this excercise is being followed. That is the whole idea. It is also not only allowed but WANTED to make comments - or ask questions. Such comments are by no means restricted to other +2000 players (although they are acknowledged, too), but we would be delighted to see comments/questions from players in the mentoring groups and others! For example, right now (after 11....Nf6) the white player feels stuck by a crammed position that is likely to be somewhat better for black. The big question here is how to open this up in a good way? For example, white's BOTH bishops are mere "onlookers"  
stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 00:15

after much pondering.....
white has decided to bring his 1st cavalry regiment to an outpost in the enemy frontline (this is what brigadecommander called a heli... helico... or something... recognizance, in our first game). As a 17th century warrior I don't know about those fancy "choppers", except that I think I've seen some early drawings of such utterly impossible air-borne vehicles by L. da Vinci some 200 years ago.
brigadecommander
18-Jan-13, 08:13

White moves 12.Ne5 Black plays 12....Ne4
white places one of his 'cavalry brigades' on the front lines and Black does the same. As Reynolds did at the center of the Union lines on Cemetery Ridge July 3rd 1863 i do..... I await Pickett's Charge.



stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 08:57

Pickett's charge was futile
...and my experience from the battles of Breitenfeld in 1631 and Lützen in 1632, some 200 years earlier, tells me to eliminate this enemy intrusion. Unfortunately, at the likely expense of my 2nd cavalry regiment
thebishop1000
18-Jan-13, 09:16

stonewall.
gosh this is good stuff!!
brigadecommander
18-Jan-13, 09:41

White plays 13.Nxe4 and Black moves 13...fxe4
Black See's similarities in this position to ' Austerlitz' in 1805. By seemingly weakening her left flank she encourages White to strike there. All the while concealing her true intentions.


stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 10:00

brigadecommander
has a very good knowledge of war history. In 1805 (2nd December) at Austerlitz, Napoleon indeed lured the combined Austrian and Russian army to attack "in the wrong place" which resulted in catastrophy for the latter and in one of Napoleon's best and most significant victories.
stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 10:10

however....
I know my fellow Pappenheims even when they are disguised with Bonaparte's colours. I don't want to exchange my 1st cavalry regiment, so let's see white's cards, i.e. to what extent she dares to weaken her left flank (the kingside). After all, the Stonewall attack is classically in that domain!
ptitroque
18-Jan-13, 10:22

Austerlitz
The idea of "bluff" (apparently weakening the left flank) is something new for me in chess. I wouldn't have thought that it could work against high level players (the differences with Napoleonic war is that you cannot hide any of you troops or move to the opponent).
brigadecommander
18-Jan-13, 10:37

things are not always what they seem.
you would be surprised at the things you can hide, mask, and camouflage in chess. Seriously i am just kidding about that Austerlitz' thing......or am i?. The applicability of Military strategy vis-a-vis chess, will have a great impact on future generations of chess players.
stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 10:38

@ptitroque
You are right, of course, that it is very different. Nevertheless, I feel that there can indeed be a component of "bluff" also in chess, and even at the highest levels. However, its chance to succeed is minimised in correspondence chess (like this), but OTB it might well work. It would actually be interesting to hear the opinions on this from our experienced Club members!
brigadecommander
18-Jan-13, 10:50

White plays 14.Ng4 and Black moves 14...b5
White places his Cavalry brigade in a offensive position on his right flank. while Black demonstrates on whites left flank with an Infantry maneuver. Just to exercise the troops of course!!

stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 11:11

yeah, yeah....
troup excercise, my a§§, sorry, for my French, but between soldiers....  
Actually black advancement on the queenside was not altogether unexpected. It was strongly recommended by some prominent onlookers in game #1. Now something must be done to get those lazy bishops into play!
thebishop1000
18-Jan-13, 11:21

stoney
is that pawn on e4 definitive??
stalhandske
18-Jan-13, 11:27

@thebishop1000
if you mean that I have a hard time to get rid of it, you're quite right! It is a very strong outpost for white that makes white's development very difficult! Everything has to be done "around it"!
brigadecommander
18-Jan-13, 11:29

The White Commander is subtle!!
and plays Bd1, a very original Petrosian-esk move. Again Black is left with little except routine Troop field exercises. Such as a4 (innocent hike) or Bd7.
myevilluck
18-Jan-13, 11:32

On the subject of tricking people, I'd need an example. To me there is just good moves and not good moves. Things I saw that my opponent didn't. It's right in front of him. He could see it; he just didn't.
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