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 SKORPIO47'S GROUP K DISCUSSIONSI am writing to let you know that Skorpio47 (aka Klaus) is willing to head Mentor Group K and take 5 players. These players are as follows:- 1. mantidereligiosa (1854) 2. mrtoduvet (1715) 3. elenapetrova 1711 4. rogetw (1588) 5. brianpix (1429) This thread is for general discussions relating to chess. Any non-related chessic conversations can go in The Chit Chat Thread. I will also set up a separate thread for your group for annotations. Many thanks, Klaus for your help in this matter and I wish you luck with your Mentoring Group. Kind Regards Joanne |
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Plan in endgames I have trouble about study endgames (not exact endgames) and playing them. The most difficult for me is to find a plan and most of the book shows moves but not the idea. So if you agree, can we talk about endgames, please. Actually i try to work it with the book of Glenn Flear, en finale volume 2. The position 12.2 is this one : A game from Yusupov and Anand. In the reality it is black to play. So if you agree the question is : what could be a plan for white ? I try to put mine and it would be cool if you have plan to compare and talk about. |
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A could be possible white plan 2. bring rook and bishop and the queen side to put presure and the pawns a and b. Keeping in mind to have a pawn in column b (because b8 is black). And bring K and the queen side because it will be probably not enought with just the bishop and the rook. part 1. is probably slow but still it is not destroying our position why not. |
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Plan in endgames I do not know how the game was played but he can finish only with a Remis. For me the best continuation is 1. ___:Rd8 2.Rc1:Kf8 3.Rc6:Rd1+ 4.Kh2:a5 5.Rb6:Rd5 and the final doesen't Change. Position after 5.__:Rd5 Now we try your combination: after: 2.__:Kf8 3.g3:Ke7 4.h4:f5 5.Kg2:Rd3 The King has earned a position where he could defend his lines without problem leaving the tower coverage of pawns in a and b. I wait a your comment |
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In the game A draw is one just if both opponents agree. I mean in a live game (i play 60-00 on ICC ; i play here to train but i don't play C.C. the usual way like db or engine) I am sure my opponents will play until the result (probably because there is no increment and mostly because it is very hard to play endgames at any level) and I hope i will do the same. So i have to play and if i possible according to a plan (and try to compose with the few techniques i know or what I can poorly calculate). I had try a first line you give with 4...Rd3 (sorry I don't know how to insert the moves) 1... Rd8 2. Rc1 Kf8 3. g3 Ke7 4. Kg2 Rd3 {very clever move i think} 5. h4 f5 6. Rc8 Rb3 7. Bc1 a5 8. Bd2 Rxb2 9. Bxa5 Kd6 10. Bb4+ Kd5 11. Rh8 h6 12. Rb8 Kc4 13. Rc8+ Kd5 and one against schredder classic 4 (2001 elo which is already a lot above mine, time 15-05) where I think it will not find 4...Rd3 and so more real : a link but the position we talk about are move 27. gameknot.com |
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Hi everyone! Kind regards Joanne |
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zombieslayer1 - has joined your group! I am writing to let you know that zombieslayer1 (Robyn) has now joined your group. Your group now reads as follows:- 1. mantidereligiosa (1854) 2. elenapetrova (1711) 3. rogetw (1588) 4. zombieslayer1 (1654) 5. brianpix (1429) Welcome to Group K, Robyn! Kind regards Joanne |
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Four knights, double Ruy Lopez Opening When, for the first time, we began to play chess, we all, unconsciously, began with an opening which, with time, we have almost all aside because we consider it too "normal." I speak about the "Four knights, double Ruy Lopez", which you see here. 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bb4 5. 0-0 0-0 With those interested, I would like to try to develop this opening in our team, trying to find out how this opening it much less "normal" than it looks. We can start trying to work out the possible continuations after the 5th black’s move. Send me your moves. I will try to show which of them are the best or the worst. It's your move Thank you for your interest Klaus |
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6.d3 |
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6.d4 |
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6. d3 And thank you for the welcome! |
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Four knights, double Ruy Lopez 6. d3 (belongs to the standard opening) The move 6. d4 is not the best answer. Because (6. d4:Bxc3 / 7. bxBc3: Nxe4) and the initial withe's advantage is gone. Now, however, the black, in this opening tends to contain white, should try to keep the game of white, in the opposite side of his king. We know, if white well plays his moves, effortlessly get a draw. Therefore, the black, which knows it, can’t give him any advantage Which you considered the black’s best move? 6. ___ : Qe7 / Bxc3 / d6 / others? Have a nice … move Klaus |
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Opps 6. ... - d6 should not be considered. Klaus |
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6.Nd5 6.Nd5 I prefer this move. It attacks bishop in b4 and in the case of change of knights ( 6...Nxd5 ) 7exd5 takes an advantage for the white. |
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Nd5 After: 6. d3, must move the black Give me a Input for the black move. Ciao, ciao Klaus |
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move #6 black Since black move - I like Bxc3 because it stacks white pawn. This could be to advantage in end game? |
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6... Re8 Re8 to defense pawn in e5 ciao to everyone |
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d6 |
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7.Bg5 Danke sehr und Ciao! Roger |
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The response of the black d6 (as Re8) are all part of the Spanish opening and are meant to contain the attack of the white and to allow a to the black a quieter defence. Diagram 1: The answer BxNc3, as well giving an advantage to white for the value of the exchanged pieces, offers him the mobility that black has not yet. after: 6. d3 Rxc3 7. bxc3 d6 8. Re1 Re8 9. Be3 Be7 10. c4 e6 11. Tb1 As you can see from the following diagram, the white, over the conquest of the center, even without a (numerical) advantage ..., effortlessly covering his pieces and is able to block all the black’s bad ideas. Diagram 2: If you agree I'll take as your move d6 (see diagram 1) and I move 7. Bg5 ( freezes Nf6 and indiuce the black to discover the King’s defense) My move: Let me know if you want to play the game or if, instead, we study this opening again for a few moves and then we move on to another discussion. Waiting for your move. Have a nice day Klaus |
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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. Bb5 Bb4 5. 0-0 0-0 6. d3 d6 7. Bg5 Here I don't know what I would move... |
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7...Bg4 |
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Ruy Lopez from 4 Knights |
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Four knights, double Ruy Lopez 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bb5 Bb4 5. 0-0 0-0 6. d3 d6 7. bg5 BxNc3 8.bxc3 (see diagram 1) Note 1: after the exchange 7. ... BxNc3 8.bxc3, white has a greater weight on the board. I remember that the Bishop has a greater value than the Knight. Note 2: Pawns double in the third line is not always a problem of placement. As you can see the b4/c4/d4 boxes are locked to black and the line b is open for the R. Cristiana’s Variation: Bg4 (with h3 white, as well as open for the King h2, freezes g4 and forces black, or for a change, or to move in Bd7 with loss of time (see diagram 2) Roger's Variations Be7?? (I don’t understand) Bxc3 to double white's pawns (see note 1 and 2 and diagram 1) Bd7 to avoid doubling my white pawns (is the best continuation, see diagram 3) 8. bxc3 Bd7 9. h3 (prevents Ng4) a6 10. ba4 h6 11. Bh4 Ne7 12. Bxd7 Nxd7 diagram 3 Other variations: (1) 8. bxc QE7 (Black d8 free box to allow the Knight to move c6 -> d8 -> e6) 9. Re1 Nd8 10. d4 Ne6 11. bc1 c5 (2) 8. bxc h6 9. Bh4 Bg4 10. h3 Bxf3 11. Qxf3 g5 this leads to a positional advantage for the white. (3) 8. bxc Ne7 9. Nh4 Ng6 10. Nxg6 (with subsequent f4, after white can take the initiative) I hope I could you help. As you can see, the possibilities are different. All depends as you like to play the game. After my 8.bxc, what do you think it's the best move? In a couple of moves we stop with this study, and we will work with an another opening. Have a nice day Klaus |
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8...h6 That's my flavour, before moving at next 9... Bg4 ciao |
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