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qiwi 30-Dec-06, 05:21	BATTLE HYMN OF THE REPUBLIC... Clearly when Mark Twain wrote this he wasn't thinking of the Bush Administration... but as they say....if the cap fits. "Mine eyes have seen the orgy of the launching of the sword; He is searching out the hoardings where the stranger's wealth is stored; He has loosed his fateful lightnings, and with woe and death has scored; His lust is marching on. I have read his bandit gospel writ in burnished rows of steel; 'As ye deal with my pretensions, so with you my wrath shall deal; Let the faithless son of freedom crush the patriot with his heel; Lo, Greed is marching on!' In a sordid slime harmonious greed was born in yonder ditch, With a longing in his bosom - and for other's goods an itch. As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich - Our god is marching on." MARK TWAIN
flcrackers 30-Dec-06, 07:41	qiwi... Could have been written for that "White" supremist power in NZ, don't you think.
qiwi 30-Dec-06, 07:56	And which "white supremist power" would that be Flcrackers?? Are you sure you are not confusing New Zealand which is situated in the South Pacific, with the Southern United States....there is a big difference I can assure you.....
flcrackers 30-Dec-06, 08:16	qiwi... There's no difference in racism. Racism is where you find it, maybe a self examination may be in order or go look in a mirror. New Zealand has more than its share. You spew enough hate and disgust that there must be no bounds or ethnicity off limits to it. As for me, I'm from the Norhern US, sent to the Southern states as part of the ongoing military occupation to help ensure equality and domestic tranquility for all. Now, if you have a problem with that, let me know.
qiwi 30-Dec-06, 09:13	Crackers.... It was you that introduced the race card into the discussion, not me.... Re: "the ongoing military occupation" of the Southern States.... Sort of proves my point really doesn't it??
flcrackers 30-Dec-06, 12:23	America has it faults, we recognize it and deal with it and air our dirty laundry in public. New Zealand on the other hand....
soulcrates 31-Dec-06, 01:38	This had to be repeated. In a sordid slime harmonious greed was born in yonder ditch, With a longing in his bosom - and for other's goods an itch. As Christ died to make men holy, let men die to make us rich - Our god is marching on." Anyone who doesn't think the rich force the poor to die for their riches is blind, or sees it and won't admit it which makes them evil. It seems this is a commong trait not just in America, and not just in the present, but something that has happened in civilization up until now, and if we don't do something about it, it's going to be something that happens to civilization again and again.
saintinsanity 31-Dec-06, 02:22	Nice one Qiwi. I really appreciate our members who have such a wide range of knowledge and experience, and who share tidbits with us. Anyhow, flcrackers, you should take issue with Mark Twain, not with Qiwi. And that wasn't very swell, disregarding Qiwi's opinion of the US just because he is from Australia (heh). Who cares if there is racism in New Zealand? They aren't the ones with a gun held to the world's head. Neither are we, I suppose. But you must admit, we have a gun. But where is it pointed, and why?
qiwi 31-Dec-06, 06:37	Deja Vu...... Following Spain's defeat in the Spanish/American War, the U.S., as part of the Treaty of Paris, purchased the Philippines from Spain for 20 million dollars. The problem was that despite the U.S. intention to acquire the Philippines as an American colony, the Philippinos had already declared their independence form Spain on June 12 1898.... Not to be deterred the U.S. sent in 11,000 troops to occupy the Philippines.. Following a particularly nasty conflict lasting 3 years the U.S. defeated the Philippines during which 4,324 U.S. soldiers, 16,00 Philippine soldiers and somewhere between 250,00 to 1,000,000 civilains lost their lives... No declaration of war was declared, U.S. President William McKinley, declaring that it was an "insurgency". Eventually 126,000 U.S. soldiers were deployed and the conflict turned even nastier..... many American officers referring to the war as a "nigger killing business". It was against this background that Mark Twain among others expressed their disgust at the U.S. actions. As Twain wrote..."I have tried hard, and yet I cannot for the life of me comprehend how we got into that mess....a quagmire from which each fresh step renders the difficulty of extrication immensely greater. I'm sure I wish I could see what we are getting out of it, and all it means to us as a nation." Sound familiar??
qiwi 03-Jan-07, 23:40	Thoughts of God... by Mark Twain.... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>OOOO<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< ..............................from Fables of Man.......................... """How often we are moved to admit the intelligence exhibited in both the designing and the execution of some of His works. Take the fly, for instance. The planning of the fly was an application of pure intelligence, morals not being concerned. Not one of us could have planned the fly, not one of us could have constructed him; and no one would have considered it wise to try, except under an assumed name..... Let us try to think the unthinkable: let us try to imagine a Man of a sort willing to invent the fly; that is to say, a man destitute of feeling; a man willing to wantonly torture and harass and persecute myriads of creatures who had never done him any harm and could not if they wanted to, and -- the majority of them -- poor dumb things not even aware of his existence..... If we can imagine such a man, that is a man that could invent the fly, and send him out on his mission and furnish him his orders: "Depart into the uttermost corners of the earth, and diligently do your appointed work. Persecute the sick child; settle upon its eyes, its face, and gnaw and pester and sting; worry and fret and madden the worn and tired mother who watches by the child, and who humbly prays for mercy and relief with the pathetic faith of the deceived and the unteachable. Settle upon the soldiers open wounds in field and hospital and drive him frantic while he also prays and betweentimes curses, with none to listen but you, Fly, who get all the petting and all the protection, without even praying for it. Harry and persecute the forlorn and forsaken wretch who is perishing of the plague...... Visit and afflict the hard worked and unoffending horse, mule, ox, ass, pester the patient cow, and all the kindly creatures that labour without fair reward here and perish without hope of it hereafter; spare no creature, wild or tame; but wheresoever you find one, make his life a misery, treat him as the innocent deserve; and so please Me and increase My glory Who made the fly.... It is plain that there is one moral law for heaven and another for earth. The pulpit assures us that wherever we see suffering and sorrow which we can relieve and do not do it, we sin, heavily........ Nevertheless we have this curious spectacle: daily the trained parrot in the pulpit gravely delivers himself of these ironies, which he has acquired at second-hand and adopted without examination, to a trained congregation which accepts them without examination, and neither the speaker nor the hearer laughs at himself. It does seem as if we ought to be humble when we are at a bench-show, and not put on airs of intellectual superiority there.....""" p.s. this is heavily abridged....
saintinsanity 04-Jan-07, 00:19	heh heh Mark Twain had flies.
qiwi 04-Jan-07, 01:24	The Trained Parrot in the Pulpit.... I just love his slightly black sense of humour.... I thought the above (abridged) treastise on the fly was a side-splitter....
soulcrates 04-Jan-07, 12:43	I hate horse flies. They are the most painful when they land on you.

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