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zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 07:05

bad news on jobs
if you happen to be an obamaphobe... i am curious to see how some will point to this as "obama has done nothing good" when we have now had 23 straight months of job growth.

The January jobs report: It’s all good
By Ezra Klein, Friday, February 3, 6:06 AM

The strangest thing about January’s jobs report is that it’s pretty much all good. The headline numbers are great, of course: payrolls are up by 243,000 jobs. Unemployment is down to 8.3 percent. But the inside numbers are good, too.

Let’s start with where the jobs were created. Professional and business services added 70,000 positions. Manufacturing added 50,000. Leisure and hospitality was up by 44,000. Health care was up by 33,000. For comparison, in the December jobs report, more than 40,000 of the 200,000 new jobs were “messengers and couriers,” which seemed likely to be seasonal hiring. Not so this month.

Revisions are positive, too. November goes from 100,000 new jobs to 157,000 new jobs. December goes from 200,000 new jobs to 203,000 new jobs. So the real number for the just-released jobs report is 303,000 jobs: that’s how many we added in January, plus what we just added to the numbers from November and December. Nicely done, economy.

The report also deals at least a slight blow to the case for economic pessimism. For months, forecasters have been telling us that though the end of 2011 was strong for the economy, the data showed the beginning of 2012 would be weak. That could still prove true. But we’re not seeing a slowdown in January’s payrolls. Just the opposite, actually.

Which isn’t to say there aren’t some areas of concern. We lost another 14,000 public-sector jobs in January. And though we have now had 23 straight months of job growth, we’re not seeing nearly enough improvement among the long-term unemployed.

The bottom line is that this isn’t just a good jobs report. It’s a recovery jobs report. It’s showing the sort of numbers that win elections. As my colleague Neil Irwin tweeted, “That sound you hear is champagne corks in the West Wing.”

zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 07:05

oh yeah
www.washingtonpost.com

not the washington times, lol!
dmaestro
03-Feb-12, 07:38

The GOP plan as published in december 2008 has always been to sell unrealistic expectations about the pace
of recovery, do everything they could to stall it, and then blames Obama for the mess they created. Romney
must be very upset about this kind of news.
chaz-
03-Feb-12, 08:02

... for some it's all about speed ... it's just not fast enough, or someone else could do it better/faster/cheaper. That's OK. I think people see these things for what they are.
zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 11:30

more bad news
as unemployment continues to fall, republicans will be pulling out all the stops to make it seem like obama has made things worse...

U.S. Jobless Rate Falls to 8.3 Percent, a 3-Year Low
By MOTOKO RICH
The United States economy gained momentum in January, as employers added 243,000 jobs, the second straight month of better-than-expected gains.

And in a separate measure, the unemployment rate fell to 8.3 percent, giving a cause for optimism as the economy shapes up as the central issue in the presidential election.

Measured by both the unemployment rate and the number of jobless — which fell to 12.8 million — it was the strongest signal yet that an economic recovery was spreading to the jobs market. The last time the figures were as good was February 2009, President Obama’s first full month in office.

The report sent stocks up by over 1 percent in trading on Wall Street.

dmaestro
03-Feb-12, 12:10

I know my enemy. This GOP plan to sabotage and distortthe was already documented after the election even
before Obama took office. The GOP strategists know very well this was no ordinary recession. It is pure
cuthroat, dang the country politics. Right wing propagandists have unfortunately conned many ofmoralistic
the uniformed into thinking TARP was not a GWB initiative and believing Obama raised rather than lowered
middle class taxes.
chaz-
03-Feb-12, 12:17

Dm ...
... I appreciate your passion for liberal views and your disdain for fragile GOP POVs. What I don't understand is the strength of your vehemence, and the background of your intent. Have you been personally impacted or hurt by your "enemy's" actions enough to take up arms? Or, what?
thumper
03-Feb-12, 13:13

dmaestro
"Negative campaigning works. It would be irresponsible not to demonize your opponent in every way possible."
So you're just being responsible, huh.

You could be more sly and say things like, "...fragile GOP POVs" and "There are too few thoughtfully considered conservative presentations", so you can still be responsible yet claim to be moderate.  
zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 13:34

thumper
you are a funny guy. dmaestro has never claimed to be a moderate. he honestly admits to being a far left radical.

you on the other hand, for some reason, are ashamed to admit that you are a far right extremists and make absurd claims to be a centrist.

why are you too ashamed to admit the obvious. everyone here recognizes it except, apparently, you.
thumper
03-Feb-12, 13:54

Did I say that DM claimed to be a moderate? Reading comprehension not your strong suite huh? Too subtle and nuanced for you I suppose.
zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 13:57

still finding it difficult to answer a direct question i see. deflection is your strong suit.
dmaestro
03-Feb-12, 14:41

I use the term enemy in relation to right wingers vision for the USA. Politically we are adversaries, if they win,
withe modern coservative mindset, I lose. I view politics as a struggle, like chess, where you do not have to use
physical violence. Constant vigilance and intelligence gathering on your adversaries gives an edge.
ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 15:04

My new job.
After 3 plus years of being out of work, I have a job now.

There is an annoying level of self esteem destruction that occurs when a person isn't working. Extended unemployment sucks the breathe out of life.

Normal everyday questions with people and friends get foggy when that person has not worked or contributed for 200 weeks. How are you? and What did you do this weekend? become loaded questions if you are a friend of an unemployed person.

Days are the same as in low security prison...maybe chicken on Sunday. Warm jello.

The working people, the employed, the people with a car... see the change in you, but if you are in it, it's hard to see yourself fading.
You start to notice that having a phone is no big deal...no one calls. The mailbox is Mordor. The Crack of Doom at your door. I pity Mail Carriers...what a life...carrying bills and debts and junk ads.





chaz-
03-Feb-12, 15:07

ed ...
... hey, amigo ... we're just happy to see you back here! Your value here is not determined by what's in your mailbox.
softaire
03-Feb-12, 15:21

ED
Next time you are out of work... PLEASE turn to writing! I am quite sure you will not go hungry then. You have a great ability to entertain and make a point at the same time. Please keep writing... (unless you disagree with my politics!)

shamash
03-Feb-12, 15:28

"When Obama Runs For Re-Election, This Is The Chart He Will Use"
www.businessinsider.com
ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 15:39

Chaz?
What determines a persons value?

My new employer deems my value at $8.00 an hour. To redeem that value I must appear clean and shiny, must punch in a time clock with the last 4 digits of my SS# followed by my right hand index finger print. Although I work in a grocery store deli..I am prohibited from eating or tasting the food I serve the paying custumers. Suprizingly, no food handling instruction is offered at this location.

3 employees of 35 are considered full time and are able for benefits like...sick days, personal days and maybe health insurance. Part timers are required to contact other employees in the event of accident, illness, injury or death, or apathy. No phone tree is provided, but failure to cover your own shift in the event of an on-for-seen event is a dismissable violation.



chaz-
03-Feb-12, 16:17

Ed ...
... what determines value is a complex question. To your employer, your value to him may be $8/hr, perhaps because if you didn't do that work, someone else would do same/similar work for that wage. Theoretically, if there were a way to increase your value to your employer, he could pay you more but sometimes this is a factor of 'time in' rather than actual added value ... good employers reward employees directly and regularly for added value. To others (like family, friends, etc.), it's parallel but has less to do with dollar bills, and more to do with love, protection, mutual benefits, respect, sharing, etc.

But, when I was talking about value above, I was speaking about your value here in these forums. There's nothing here for which any of us will gain monetarily, but many/most of us gain significantly in other ways. We learn how to present ourselves, how to gain/lose respect, how to share information, how to gain knowledge/perspective, how to consider alternatives, how to talk among others who have little different to gain as well. So, we invest more ... to gain more ... and so it goes. You had already established value here, and then departed ... now you're back, and now we anticipate future gains.

I was merely welcoming you back.
ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 16:46

The funny thing is I'm happy to working. I'm serving up food to people in my community. My wash my hands ( up to my elbows) before I put on latex gloves. I try to be patient with custumers who rightly voice complaints about $4.99 apound pricing for a cooked rice or mac and cheese. I deal with the artists who come in at closing time who offer a clear scenario on the food I am about to throw out in 5 minutes.

The Company doesn't reinburse or protect me from verbal abuse or resolving solutions to problems not highlighted in the Employee Manual. The Company will fire me arbitrarily if a custumer makes a complaint that I cannot defend. There is no union.

It's good to be working with people again. I lost my sense of common humanity when I was not working. It's more than interesting, to go from a skilled cabinetmaker to the Deli. People come in. Old timers on a budget and bitter. Old timers on a budget and happy to be alive. A mom with two kids. The local postman....with wet and cold feet. Homeless people. Grifters. Secret shoppers. A dad on a Friday night with his his son and the only time they are going to have together until next Friday night.

ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 16:54

Complex Question
So, Chaz....I get you appreciate my voice. It's great to hear and feel that support.. Thank you. And I also thank the anonymous_donor who popped for 35 dollars and gave me a membership to this site and made my comments possible.


Lets go on...chaz. what's a human worth?
chaz-
03-Feb-12, 17:43

Ed ...
... biologically, a human is worth more than a few bucks for blood and certain fluids, not counting what internal organs might take on the open market nowadays.

To others, a human may be worth much if s/he displays value to large numbers of people ... which is why some people get paid more than others, or why some folks get voted into office, or why good leaders sustain high value, etc. In other cases, some worth might be calculated by how risky a job may be, or what might be lost if a person were to die, or what might be gained by what a person invents or creates or produces. On and on.

But, arguably, the greatest worth of a human might be to self ... for that is all, the most, the best, the most worthy human one will ever know completely. Here we get into the value of others who are close to us ... friends and family who matter to us ... and perhaps to one individual in particular. How much one person might be worth to another particular person is hard for anyone else to say but those who hold that value dear.

Many of us spend considerable time seeking precisely what and who is worthy ... and many of our lives are defined by these journeys. So ... tell me what you think about how much a human is worth?
ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 18:06

Six bucks an hour, Chaz. That's what a human is worth. Of course....thats an average of all working humans. Some make more than 6 bucks, some make less. So...like a couple gallons of gas in the US.

zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 18:09

softy
not a single comment? don't disappoint me!
changeling
03-Feb-12, 18:14

Discussion.   Nice to see you back ed.  

ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 18:19

z... please don't goad softy. I;m serious. You are a moderator and a contributor and perhaps...my benefactor. softy has not commented on this thread and yet you prod him and not criticise my thoughts....
ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 18:24

lol...thanks changeling. How's your world?
zorroloco
03-Feb-12, 18:26

ed
i reserve the right to prod people. i sure as hell get prodded enough  
softaire
03-Feb-12, 18:27

z
For you... If Ed would only work harder, he would be worth more!

There... Happy?
ed_norton
03-Feb-12, 18:46

softy
you are absolutely right....if only Ed would work harder, he would be worth more.

softaire
03-Feb-12, 18:49

z
There you see? Even Ed agrees with me... you don't even have a clue, you are so out of it!
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