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From the Guardian comes a delicious twist on the tax factor.
Meanwhile, Romney appears to have escaped relatively unsinged from the apparently unrelated revelation that he may have committed voter fraud in January 2010, when – despite not owning a house in Massachusetts and having given every appearance of having moved to California – he registered and voted in the Massachusetts special election to replace the deceased Senator Ted Kennedy. Given the GOP's ongoing use of the "voter fraud" fable to justify modern Jim Crow laws and its highly-publicized persecution of the voter registration group Acorn, an actual case of felony voter fraud committed by the Republican nominee could have been a big story – but Romney was able to tamp down the flames by claiming, not very credibly but also not disprovably, that he and Ann actually were living in their son Tagg's Belmont, Massachusetts basement in 2010. Without proof that Romney lied about where he lived, there's no felony – and no big national story.
This may seem like overmeticulous wonkishness, but the address given on tax returns is a big deal when it comes to proving voter fraud. As Hans von Spakovsky (senior legal fellow at the conservative Heritage Foundation, former Federal Election Commission member, and former DOJ voting-issue attorney, and himself an advocate of the GOP's restrictive voter ID requirements) explained to the Daily Caller:
"Election officials will also look at tax returns as crucial evidence in residency disputes. Where an individual declares himself to be a resident for tax purposes, thus subjecting himself to applicable state income taxes, is usually decisive on this issue."
A felony voter fraud charge could expose Romney to fines and/or imprisonment, jeopardize Romney's standing with the Michigan State Bar, and – worst of all, in the political sense – would be a mortal embarrassment on the campaign trail, both to himself and to downticket Republicans (especially Republican Senator Scott Brown of Massachusetts, who won the special election in question but is locked in a tight, highly-publicized race against the popular Elizabeth Warren to retain his seat).
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Is Romney a Michigan lawyer? That is interesting.
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dmaestro
19-Aug-12, 18:25
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Rules are for little prople, not the rich. Romney considers the low percentage of taxes he pays as charity for the little people.
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Illi
Are Barak and Michelle lawyers anymore?
I heard that they "surrendered" their licenses?
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softy
once again, you have ignored the thread's topic, and changed the subject. i looked up attention deficit disorder and one-track mind in websters, and your picture was right there in the dictionary.
way to go. i commend you on your consistency!
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Donkeys
#1 .. This is spam .. A distraction.
#2 .. When you think voter fraud, think Chicago.
#3 .. When you think Chicago, think Democrat Machine, the Mafia, home of the most dangerous gang in America .. The Black Muslims of Louis Farrakhan, the home of Rev. Wright (mentor to Barry), Bill Ayres and our Pres. Barry Obama.
#4 .. When you think fraud .. Think Barry, the Chicago pimp, dope dealer-smoker-snorter.
#5 .. Think affirmative action, social promotion President. Remember the Peter Principle.
#6 .. It's still about the economy
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Why must both sides try to discredit the other in this way. One side demands to see college grades, the other goes through where someone has lived for the past several years. What does it all matter, really? It's just pointless tit-for-tat.
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z
Were you directing that at me or Illi?
I think my comments were exactly in line with the point of this thread. The article says that Romney could lose his license. Illi asked if he had a license.
I asked if it were true that Barrack (Barry) and Michelle still had their licenses. I find it "interesting" that they "surrendered" theirs. Why would they do that? (if they did) Do you know?
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Zorro
The thing I found curious is right inside your cut and paste. Maybe you ought to highlite those sections of your cut and pastes and then we can ignore the portions you don't want to discuss.
Softie: I think the Obamas are still lawyers, but I am not sure.
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illi
my point, which i guess i did not make very clear, is that there is no real voter fraud in the us... but the republicans are trying to use that to restrict voter access. yet, here is a case where it appears the gop nominee is guilty of voter fraud. i can see that none of the conservatives want to touch the real topic with a ten foot pole... anything to avoid addressing it.
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z
It's the economy stupid!
Quit trying to divert attention away from the failures of this administration. It's the economy, the loss of freedoms, the shredding of the Constitution, and the ignoring of duties and responsibilities by the President.
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... and suddenly possible voter fraud by Romney is not an issue? Perhaps MR isn't qualified to run for prez ... and why don't conservatives talk about this issue? The tea party'ers wouldn't let go of the birther issues ... now the shoe's on the other foot.
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softy
doh! sorry. next time, i will be sure to check with you before i post anything to make sure it is a valid point of discussion. i am deeply saddened that i did not do that this time. i am not sure what came over me. i guess i just forgot that you are the final arbiter of topics worthy of discussion. how stupid of me to think that voter fraud committed by the gop presidential nominee is relevant or important 10 weeks before the election.
again, please accept my apologies. i will strive to do better next time.
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dmaestro
21-Aug-12, 15:48
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Notice how desperate the conservatives are to avoid discussing their true beliefs. Instead they single mindedly want to focus on an economy they destroyed in lockstep with Bush. Keep it up. When people see that Romney's plan only benefits the rich and powerful, he will not get a majority.
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dmaestro
21-Aug-12, 15:52
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Those outside the US may not get the point. But voter fraud is not really a problem. Precincts are small and fraud would be easily detected. The GOP is using fraud as an excuse to deter those who are less likely to vote GOP from voting, which is their real agenda. They have no problem using churches as a staging area and transporting them to voting areas however.
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z
That's ok... everybody screws up once in a while.
(at least you're trying... very trying)
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dmaestro
21-Aug-12, 18:19
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Dream on, right wing extremists as you try and avoid discussion of critical issues. Your presumption that the election would be about the economy alone and nothing else, falsely presumes that Romney is seen as someone who can do better. Romney's plans have been proven to help mainly the rich. So, while the president's vulnerabilities on the economy have opened the door to a re-election rebuke, analysts of all stripes agree, so far Romney has failed to walk through that opening. In polls and follow-up interviews, voters say they have lost much of their faith that Obama can fix the economy but aren't convinced they can trust Romney to watch out for them and their interests. So keep up your economy mantra and ignore the many reasons to distrust and dislike Romney. I'm counting on your unyielding hate to make the critical difference with independents.
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DeMented
1) "i CANNOT corroborate this story, but i did see it in several sources. DOESN'T mean it is true, but i think it is. IF true, yikes. "
That sounds like a diversion right from the get-go.
2) "From the Guardian comes a DELICIOUS twist on the tax factor. "
That sounds like "Oh boy, something besides the economy to talk about".
3) "... despite not owning a house in Massachusetts and having given every appearance of having moved to California – he registered and voted in the Massachusetts special election to replace the deceased Senator Ted Kennedy."
Goodness gracious! How bad!
Do you remember Ted Kennedy... the guy that got drunk and while driving drove off a bridge in Massachusetts and killed a girl? In fact, he left her in the car to drown. And, he went on to serve as a Senator for the next 40 years.
Do you really want to equate those politicians?
4) "This may seem like overmeticulous wonkishness, ..."
Yes, it does.
5) "Election officials will also look at tax returns as crucial evidence in residency disputes. Where an individual declares himself to be a resident for tax purposes, thus subjecting himself to applicable state income taxes, is usually decisive on this issue."
So, has anything come of all this?
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THis
is hilarious. Accusing conservatives of wanting to focus on the economy. DUUUUHHHH
Ok fine lets focus on underwater basket weaving. Discuss
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dmaestro
21-Aug-12, 18:57
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When you conservatives come up with an economic plan that most experts think will actually help the middle class, let us know. Romney isn't trusted and Ryan's plan is not popular. Therefore other issues will also play in this election. Its about TRUST, stupid.
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hennybogan1953
24-Aug-12, 12:34
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... do we now hafta get into competing online "ARTICLES" of political extremes? THE INTERNET has so many to pick from ... just cut'n'paste the "ARTICLE"; you don't hafta think. It then becomes no more than who can find the best , portrayal of whatever extreme views you don't like ... and we lose the ability to discuss it inside a discussion thread.
Is this what everyone wants?
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henny
yes. absolutely. this is what EVERYBODY wants!
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... is it henny's plight to have everyone suffer through his cut'n'paste tyrades? I would listen if he had something to offer ... this is getting tiresome.
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hennybogan1953
24-Aug-12, 13:16
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... is it Zorroloco's plight to have everyone suffer through his cut'n'paste tyrades? I would listen if he had something to offer ... this is getting tiresome.
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dmaestro
24-Aug-12, 18:10
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Conservatives think they are mirroring what they dislike about liberals. In fact, they illustrate why studies show conservatives do more poorly on IQ tests.
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hennybogan1953
24-Aug-12, 19:37
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dhenny here (about time)
Dm's assessment of henny as always is spot on and I totally agree. I have done extensive studies on this dim wit and find him to be infantile, boorish, and incapable of rational thought. What we have here is a typical tea party anti intellectual conservative mind set with limited cognitive ability that is quite prevalent with this type of individual. I no longer try to present facts to this "person" nor do I expect anything more than silly stunts used to inflame reasonable members of this forum.
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dmaestro
24-Aug-12, 19:49
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Dhenny has a unique ability to make complexities and nuances completely clear to those with rational mindsets, which unfortunately studies show are not equally distributed in indivduals cross the politiclal spectrum but are more often seen in centrists and on the left. In fact, I find his postings easier to understand than mine. I appreciate that you always know where dhenny stands on issues and his thinking is completely original...
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hennybogan1953
24-Aug-12, 19:56
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Conservative IQ Test
youtu.be
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dmaestro
24-Aug-12, 20:45
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That definitely settles the issue. Furthermore as the pace of change increases the conservative with their more rigid, rear view thinking falls increasingly behind the more mentally nimble and forward thinking population. Some day there will be so few of them we will put them in history museums. Or so dm thinks...
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DM
That wont be possible. Without conservatives in the country the invading armies will simply walk in , b**** slap all the pansies , and blow up your museums.
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