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ace_kyi
08-Sep-12, 15:58
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 Why Obama should lose, Empty chair & empty promises!
Economic recovery and solving unemployemnt problem is the top priority of our nation. 4 years ago Obama made a lot of promises that he would make changes and fix the problem. Are we better of than 4 years ago? Not so according to Clint Eastwood at the GOP national convention. 23 million Americans ( actually over 12 million ) are still unemployed and the economy is in shambles with increasing national debt. Therefore, Clint Eastwood said he should go. For details please watch Clint Eastwood's speech in Youtube.
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The President proposes the Congress disposes
if you have a problem with the direction of the country then blame the powers that be. Or do you not know how the American system works? From your post it would seem that the President is in charge of Legislation. That he has forced the congress to pass his proposals. If any of President Obamas legislation passed, either by majority vote or majority reconciliation that it was the congress (the representatives of the American people) that passed the legislation. If you have a problem with that then blame Congress. Please don't push Foxnews talking points, as i know how the Govt works!! I suggest you study GOVT 101 and become 'enlightened'.
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dmaestro
08-Sep-12, 16:20
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Economists blame congressional failure to act and world economic troubles, combined with the unsound austerity measures adopted across the country and the world. Clint is an actor and politician, not an economist. The chinese are now engaging in more stimulus. I do not believe the gop wants a recovery as long as they are out of power, the leaders know the damage they are doing.
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monkey see monkey do.
it amazes me how people who listen to Foxnews and other right-wing organs, believe every thing that they are told. They have no idea how the Govt works!! And no matter how many times you remind them, they keep coming back with the same talking points. They don't bother to look at Congressional voting records on specific bills, they don't follow how just one senator can stop a bill by the majority with a filibuster. If Obama proposes a jobs bill and the GOP filibusters it, who's blame is it that the bill that, could have put a million people to work tomorrow, has been stopped for political gain??. 6th graders could tell whats wrong!! But the zombie foot solders of foxnews keep right on pushing this bullshit!!
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dmaestro
08-Sep-12, 16:39
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I get emails from right wingers all the time. They believe the most absurd nonsense. You try and teach them to check hoax and fact check sites to avoid humiliating them but they do not change. Mindless zombies, sad to say. Time to expose them!
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hennybogan1953
08-Sep-12, 16:43
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Country Henny (featuring common sense from the red states)
Did they have the same form of govt when GWB was president? I know a lot of folks from that there left side a blamed him for an awful lot a stuff, ya hear.
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dmaestro
08-Sep-12, 16:53
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Henny, even in your neck of the woods out in redneck country, you should know that bush was blamed for things under his control. He pushed the tax cuts despite warnings about the deficit, which his VP said didn't matter. He started wars based on suspect information and did not listen to his generals about needing 400,000 troups on the ground to avoid chaos. He was totally disengaged from regulating the economy and was shocked to find the economy was melting down. I do not blame bush for what he had no control over.
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bush promised to hunt down the terrorists
that struck us on 911,ON HIS WATCH. HE DID NOT. PRESIDENT BARRACK OBAMA HAD THE MURDERERS KILLED. CASE CLOSED FOOLS.
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hennybogan1953
08-Sep-12, 17:26
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I reckon so. So let me get thisin strait ol GWB is responsible for everthing bad that happened up until now but ifin i a good thing happened that there Barak feller is.
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SPEAK ENGLISH PLEASE
I don't understand gibberish!! relax, take a deep breath and turn on foxnews for instructions. Many things Bush did were not that bad. Many things Obama did are not that bad. STOP HATING!!!!!!!! THE PRESIDENT 'PROPOSES' THE CONGRESS 'DISPOSES' YOU FOOL....WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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dmaestro
08-Sep-12, 17:56
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Henny, y'all should know even over in yose holler that that barack fella is a good ol' boy from Hawaii. The only folks that should be a fearin' him is them slick ol' rich fellas makin' money off wars and destruction, and sendin' the jobs overseas.
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ace_kyi
08-Sep-12, 17:57
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Don't cry for me Argentina !
www.youtube.com
I like this musical. Don't blame Obama for the current situation. When Obama took office our nation was like a sinking wrecked Titanic ship which actually sank. What Obama did was he actually have saved the Titanic ship ( our nation ) from sinking and gone forever. So, if he is given another 4 years chance of presidency our majestic ship ( nation ) will go on forever stronger. Regard me as just a messenger. I would like to change the lyrics this way. Don't blame Obama, America. The truth is, he will never leave or lie to you. it is always true, " I'll keep my promise". The current situation is beyond his control. Evita Peron is patron of the poor and so do Obama for the working class of America. Evita did so many good things to poor people that some Argentinians regard her as a saint.
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the greatest danger to this country
is not Obama.Its the right wing. (in bed with religious fundamentalists). Their Propaganda ministry is FOXNEWS. Their footsolders are zombie white men. Their leaders are big oil,big insurance,Pharmaceuticals and the military industrial complex.And their DOOM is at hand....
this is what you have become;en.wikipedia.org
please don't try to push your propaganda on me. I'm far to smart for it. Save it for the deep south and white morons in your neighborhood.
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hennybogan1953
08-Sep-12, 19:40
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Potheadhenny
Uhhhhh ha. Yo Ace ahhhhhh dude ummmmmmm not cool man. Don't blame...what...dude my cat is changing colors. Musicals are cool...I saw one in 1983...Jerry Garcia and some other dudes uhhhhhh ya...dude Obama is cool dude like when your out of doobs and some other dudes have too many doobs, and your like duuuuuuude don't bogart all those dooies dude haaaarsh yo then Obama makes the other dudes share their dudes so we can all get well. Righteous dude.
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ace_kyi
12-Sep-12, 21:00
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Bill Clinton, the reverse Clint Eastwood?
www.cnn.com
As Bill Clinton walked out onto the stage of the Democratic National Convention, there was love in the air. Television cameras scanned the faces in the crowd and it was as if each man and each woman, regardless of their ages or where they came from, was seeing again the person who first stole their hearts. But however deep their affections, however dizzying their passion, it was clear that it was at least equaled by the love of the speaker for the crowd he faced, for the role he was playing and for the limelight he once again commanded.
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mrconservative64
18-Sep-12, 08:39
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Reasons To Not Vote For Obama...
1-Incompetent;2-Incoherent economic policy;3-Coherent, but incorrect foreign policy(hates Israel,loves Islamics);4-Can't improvise and adapt(like Clinton did) when his approach to a problem is ineffective;5-Makes look back the Carter years fondly(I didn't think that would ever be possible);6-His wife annoys the crap out of me(she should've been married to Mayor Nanny Bloomberg. By the the way, did I say that he was incompetent?
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mrconservative64
18-Sep-12, 08:41
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Sorry
5-Makes me look back at the Carter years fondly.
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mr i
and romney? two-faced, flip-flopping, stands for nothing but corporate profits? does he inspire you to vote for him?
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As a Centrist myself ...
... I'm not ready to give Obama an "A" for performance yet; but, numerous in place remedies for our economy just need to play out. Right now, I'd give him a "C-" mainly due to my own Independent spirit, Obama's misfires, and insufficient sensitivity to all the public 'druthers'. I'm quite disappointed with Bush's set-up for these economic failures (the eventual shortfalls of '08-'09 had been known for years beforehand); and, I'm certainly not wanting to go back to that era. Romney has failed to come up with something better ... as a candidate, I'd give him a "D" for his inconsistencies, flipflops, gaffes ... and VP pick. The balance on this is teetering ever so slightly in Obama's favor.
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ace is right: Americans should re-elect Obama
ace is implicitly correct: for most of the Obama years, the United States has been in a recession, and a bad one.
and that's why Obama should be re-elected:
without his leadership, the United States would not be in a recession:
it would be in a Depression.
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sham
true indeed. Depression with a capital D. as near as i can tell, the gop strategy is:
we left you a horrible, wrtched mess, and you have not cleaned it up fast enough. put us back in power.
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I haven't read the whole thread, but noticed some all caps lock responses, so I'm sure I'm not missing much that I assume is bickering.
My biggest disappointment with Obama isn't that he's liberal and tried to do liberal things - things you would expect from a Democrat president. I can understand that, even sympathize, even if I think some of it is the wrong way to go about things.
My biggest disappointment with Obama is that he was supposed to be the guy that scaled back the police state. If you look back at American history, we've had presidents who, wrongly or not (it can always be debated), make reactionary moves that were reactionary in nature against what they thought was an existential threat at the time, Adams, Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt, and Bush all made moves that decreased civil liberties in a time of war, but it was always scaled back following the crisis or threat. That has been the American way of doing things, but this time around, that just didn't happen. Basically Obama came in an rubber stamped all of the stuff that Bush was doing. It's like we always took the right crook in the pathway and now this time we went left instead. And I don't know what that will ultimately mean, but I don't think it will be good for the country and could be horrible in the hands of bad presidents.
And it's weird because campaign Obama of 4 years ago seemed to recognize this. He was the anti-Bush candidate, and then got into office and nothing changed on all of the stuff he seemed to indicate would change with regards to the police state. And it's only advanced under him.
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<<And it's weird because campaign Obama of 4 years ago seemed to recognize this. He was the anti-Bush candidate, and then got into office and nothing changed on all of the stuff he seemed to indicate would change with regards to the police state. And it's only advanced under him.>>
Quoted for truth, as they say on the internet.
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jdh ...
... I cannot disagree with your observations (good post) ... I would like to believe economic circumstances have prevented more progress in the direction of civil liberties ... and I would like to see what four more years would produce. It would be a shame if there are not more 'measurables' given the time. I think Obama seduced himself into thinking he could be Mr. Nice Guy, the great conciliator ... and was a bit naive about national politics. Still ... there's time left.
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dmaestro
18-Sep-12, 17:46
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The gop refused to close gitmo and voted for provisions obama did mot ask for. It costs money to have both security and liberty in an age of terror. I am disappointed but tolerant od the difficulties.
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jd
agreed. but i am not disappointed because i never expected him to do that. i never was a believer that he was a savior. i only voted for him because he was HEAD AND SHOULDERS (for you josh) above mccain. and i will vote for him again for three reasons - 1) i hope as a 2nd term prez he cuts loose, 2) i think his policies and ideas deserve 8 years as the gop's ideas have already been proved a failure, and 3) he is light years better than romney
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... and I hope a more traditional GOP candidate emerges in '16. There needs to be a good balance established ... and the Tea Party extremists need to be replaced with fundamental conservative legislators.
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DM
It is irrelevant what the GOP did. Like I tell my son, often, it doesn't matter what the other neighbor kids are doing, it matter what YOU do.
Security and and the war on terror are largely bullsh*t excuses for the police state, not unlike the war on drugs.
Obama campaigned as a guy who was going to change that.
But that's not the biggest issue, not really. The problem is that, as I mentioned before, as a country we always scaled back the nonsense when we all settled down and realized that the sky was not falling, but this time this did not happen, for the first time in American history, in fact if Obama did anything he doubled down on the police state.
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Z
If what he has done towards the police state in the first four years is any indication, I could do without him "cutting loose" thank you very much.
The bottom line is there are partisan issues where the rhetoric is such that you see Obama as being much better than Romney. I'm cynical enough to believe that neither man believes most of the bullsh*t he tries feeding the base. And when it comes to police state issues both are the same - there will be no change in the police state regardless of who is elected. They also will do nothing to reign in wall-street, and will have zero influence on monetary policy.
So while everyone focuses on nonsense like abortion or gay marriage, the police state continues, the fat cats get fatter, and the money goes to sh*t (making everyone poorer, but affecting the middle class the hardest).
The country is not getting better and will continue to get worse because neither party is doing anything to fix the real problems. Fix the real problems and then we can argue about the other stuff later.
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josh
and how do we go about fixing the real problems? i mean that. it is not a rhetorical question. what do we do? i mean short of buying some land (which i have done) and socking away some metal and food (also done) and trying to be self-sufficient (going to start working towards that in a couple years)?
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