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I serve a socio-economic clientele at the lower rungs of the scale. I know my clients and I know how they manage their affairs. I've got gay clients. If they are allowed to marry, I can tell you at the end of their relationships, very few of them would go through the expense and bother of getting divorced before remarrying. Why? Because gay marriage is a joke, a tax dodge, a write-off. That is what it means. If I thought I could make a living off doing gay divorce, trust me, I would be waiving one of those rainbow flags myself. |
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Sorry to be so hard-boiled, but I am not a wedding planner, or a limo driver or a florist. I am a lawyer. All I see is legal rights and obligations. A gay marriage has no children to argue over. Alimony? Getting some weepy gay guy on the stand to complain about how he waited on tables to put that so and so through medical school might be fun to watch, but there isn't going to be any alimony awarded by a judge. Any contractual obligations in a gay marriage can be gotten rid of by a trip down to bankruptcy court. What if you have two gay guys and one of them meets a woman? Are you going to charge him with infidelity? It would be a circus in the courtroom, that is for sure, but also a waste of time. The whole thing is a joke. |
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Really? Never? You sure about that? Are childless straight marriages equally meaningless too then? << What if you have two gay guys and one of them meets a woman? Are you going to charge him with infidelity?>> Well, yeah. Does the husband of a woman that runs off with a man not get charged with infidelity then? |
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If the gay people brought children into the marriage, they would be awarded those children in any divorce. In the case of two lesbians, one of which is the birth mother who has a child in wedlock, the child's father would still be the other parent. Done. The other case would be adoption. I suppose if the law and people involved were irresponsible enough to allow an adoption, then, maybe you could have a big custody fight. It might be fun to set one up just to see the result. |
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illi my lesbian neighbors have two children by ivf. my wife and i have no children. your case has dissolved. as for the infidelity, what difference does gender make? |
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illinawek 10-Oct-12, 12:25 |
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Chaz I don't smell a fee anywhere. Like I said, all my gay clients will become bigamous if they are allowed to marry. Maybe the cops will throw them in jail for it, then I can make a fee. I think from a legal viewpoint, this can be made into as big a mess as the human mind can invent. My experience is that Courts tend to simplify things unless they have an ideological bent. As you gay-friendly people have pointed out, traditional marriage is close to a joke anyway. We need a good punch line, and gay marriage could be the source of endless laughter and amusement. |
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Hopefully, the birth mother and the adoptive parent won't break up or get a divorce. If they do, the adoption may inject an element of uncertainty into the child's future that will take a long time, cause a lot of anguish, and cost a lot of money to fix. None of those things are consistent with the best interests of the child. My suspicion is that the adoption was to make the parents feel good about themselves. |
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illi i just do not see how it is different if they are same gender or different. |
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hennybogan1953 10-Oct-12, 14:40 |
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That rule would apply if there is in vetro fertilization. The part I am unsure about is when the father of a child that was conceived in vetro can later challenge his duty to pay child support for that child. I think it would be very difficult to do so, since it is nearly always in the best interest of the child to get a child support check. We have no gay marriage here, but obviously, a child can not be a legitimate child of two gay people. In Illinois we have a unique situation due to the baby Richard case, where if a child is born, the father has to register in order to assert rights to oppose future adoption of that child. It gets really complicated if the kid turns out not to be a DNA match and the father has signed the register. My question to you is whether there is legal gay marriage in Washington State? |
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You answered this one with: <<Yeah. I'm sure gay marriages have no children.>> but then said: <<The other case would be adoption. I suppose if the law and people involved were irresponsible enough to allow an adoption, then, maybe you could have a big custody fight. It might be fun to set one up just to see the result.>> Ignoring your viewpoint on it, it can and does happen, so in fact your first statement was false, by your own admission, right? <<Are childless straight marriages equally meaningless too then?>> You ignored this question, care to comment? <<as for the infidelity, what difference does gender make?>> and this one..... <<Maybe I've tricked you into believing I care about this.>> Of course, you care so little that nearly half of the posts on this page are yours. |
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My other guess is that there is no current obligation on the part of the adoptive parent to pay child support in the event of a breakup. So my answer is that the relationship your neighbors are in differs from a traditional marriage in that: 1). There is no duty for the adoptive parent to pay child support in the event of a separation, and 2). There could be a potential custody fight between the birth mother and the adoptive parent in the event of a separation. I consider both of these factors very disadvantageous to the birth mother, and I would have advised her not to consent to adoption of her child. In a traditional marriage, there could be a custody fight, but there would be no question about the non-custodial parent's duty to pay child support. |
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illi it just, as i stated earlier, seems like you have a moral, or religious, or visceral antipathy towards gay marriage, and are trying to find rational. logical, legal means to rationalize your views. maybe i am off base here, but that is my perception. and i have to agree w/ itchy again - you appear to care a great deal. |
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