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zorroloco
21-Oct-12, 10:00

last debate
this is an important one. the polls are a dead heat. two weeks to go. they will talk about national security. obama is vulnerable on libya. i like to think his team will have some answers. romney is vulnerable on his flip flopping positions and his loose talk about russia, china, and iran. obama has some weapons in the talks with iran announced yesterday and with his strong relationship with israel, both of which disarm potential romney attacks.

should be interesting.
mrconservative64
21-Oct-12, 11:52

Candy Crowley bailed Obama out...
in the last debate. Style-wise Obama did well in debate number2, substance-wise he was trounced since he had no answer for Romney's onslaught on his failed presidency. I don't see how does well in tomorrow's final debate since he caused the death of four Americans and Romney is sure "to beat him over the head" with it if the moderator lets him.
zorroloco
22-Oct-12, 19:57

same person
was there a difference tonight? romney said he would do everything obama has done and is doing, only better, stronger, louder, and earlier.
astinkyfart
22-Oct-12, 20:12

Jeff
I think that was the case on some issues but not all. I am trying to find out the truth on the car industry issue. Only because it was so heated between the two. They both said look it up. Probably partial truth from both.
brigadecommander
22-Oct-12, 20:36

Romney does the rope-dope.
keep your opponent from hitting you by hugging him!!! And the right-wing does not care.Their main geopolitical foe is Obama. And they are willing to elect a 'LIAR' as president of the united states to accomplish this. Why?,because he is black. That's the on-the surface story. In reality the corporations are the real power here.Their minions ;the zombies' will think as they are told TO THINK. Of course increase the defence budget,the Military Industrial complex wants to make money.Of course do away with Obama-Care,the Insurance Companies want to make Obscene amounts of money.Of course make a big deal out of gay rights,cause its a wedge issue and old stupid white men are homophobic!.Of course get rid of pesky regulations on wall-street!!,wall street wants to rob all those Ira's and pension funds and fleece us again!! Of course get rid of planned parent hood and make 'ALL' contraceptives and 'ALL' abortions illegal!!,their allies (the Christian fundamentalists) want everyone to obey their GOD!! Of course the big Energy industries like oil, want get rid of all those pesky environmental regulations so they can drill baby drill everywhere, and destroy our Forrest's and wildlife area's and pollute our oceans, and then sell the energy overseas where they get more profit.This list goes on and on and on.
astinkyfart
22-Oct-12, 20:40

Another
classic rant, love the black part. Maybe off subject but BC are you bi-polar?
brigadecommander
22-Oct-12, 20:49

no just far smarter and far more knowledgeable the you
that's all!!! Every thing i said was true. Case closed. Go back to your zombie job of gathering right-wing 'LIES' from right-wing sources like you usually do and THEN claim they are facts!! This is what you do best!! good luck with that.
astinkyfart
22-Oct-12, 21:09

OKIE DOKIE
Not going there again. No idea why you are so angry after a debate?? Anyway I have tried to no avail to discuss things with you once again. No more. Just when I thought you were making progress as a human being.   Have a wonderful life.
dmaestro
22-Oct-12, 21:12

Obama won but not overwhelmingly. I think Romney's answer on the auto industry was weak. If as I suspect Obama gets a tiny circa 1% bounce with the few undecided and the jobs report not too bad he should win a very narrow victory. But the gowth and jobs report is probably the only possible game changer left. If Obama holds Ohio he should win.
brigadecommander
22-Oct-12, 21:15

i'm happy
Obama made the robot look like what he really is,a flip flopping fool!!A Thurston H 3rd but without a conscience. Yes I'm happy!!! see ya in Ohio IN TWO WEEKS!!! 288
chaz5
22-Oct-12, 21:41

Stinky ...
... I think your assessment of the debate is prob'ly accurate. I think the Detroit question prob'ly leans toward BO ... it all depends on the precise language one uses. Nevertheless, BO had a couple good retorts (especially the one on horses and bayonets). All in all, BO had a slight edge ... but foreign policies do not impact the election 'druthers much at all.
hennybogan1953
23-Oct-12, 02:12

I did not watch the debate because there were 2 games on and the first one was good enough. Romney gets my vote. Obama failed and that's it. Romney is still ahead in the polls and getting er done.
zorroloco
23-Oct-12, 04:07

detroit
fact check

Fact-Check: 'Let Detroit Go Bankrupt'?
Mr. Obama just stated that when Mr. Romney argued in late 2008 that Detroit auto companies should be denied a government bailout and instead turn to the private marketplace, no private financing was available. This is consistent with what auto executives have said.

At the time Mr. Romney wrote his now infamous New York Times op-ed the financial markets had ground to a halt. It was November 2008, and there was little available liquidity for anyone seeking financing. There were certainly no financial institutions — not even Bain Capital, Mr. Romney’s private equity firm — looking to invest to the tune of the $80 billion the car companies needed at the time.

No private companies would come to the industry’s aid, and the only path through bankruptcy would have been Chapter 7 liquidation, not the more orderly Chapter 11 reorganization that the company ultimately followed, people inside and outside the car companies have said.

In fact, the task force asked Bain if it was interested in investing in General Motors’ European operations, according to one person with direct knowledge of the discussions. Bain declined, this person said, speaking anonymously to discuss private negotiations.
dmaestro
23-Oct-12, 04:27

Romney is NOT telling the truth on the auto bailout. To resolve this dispute, I did my own fact checking and have linked exactly what he said below. He said the bailout would destroy the industry. He was wrong, it did not. There was no investment money from private sources available at the time because of the credit crunch. Clearly, Romney was wrong and he lied about what he said, and he knew he was lying in the debate. See for yourself what he said:

www.nytimes.com

Whether Americans will actually elect a notorious and proven liar and flip flopper remains to be seen. There are enough motivated by hatred of Obama to make it possible. But if they do, America is in big trouble.
zorroloco
23-Oct-12, 04:31

polls give it to obama
President Obama scored a clear two-to-one victory against Mitt Romney during the final presidential debate Monday night, according to a CBS News instant poll of uncommitted voters.

Immediately after it wrapped, 53 percent of the more than 500 voters polled gave the foreign policy-themed debate to Mr. Obama; 23 percent said Romney won, and 24 percent felt the debate was a tie. Uncommitted voters in similar polls gave the first debate to Romney by a large margin, but said Mr. Obama edged the GOP nominee in the second debate.

Both candidates enjoyed a bump regarding whom the voters trust to handle international crisis. Before the debate, 46 percent said they would trust Romney, and 58 percent said they would trust the president. Those numbers spiked to 49 percent and 71 percent, respectively.

Overwhelmingly, the same group of voters said President Obama would do a better job than Romney on terrorism and national security, 64 percent to 36 percent. But they were evenly split, 50-50, on which candidate would better handle China.

The "uncommitted voters" polled are voters who are either undecided about who to vote for or who say they could still change their minds.

www.cbsnews.com


CNN Poll: Nearly half of debate watchers say Obama won showdown

CNN Political Editor Paul Steinhauser
(CNN) - Give the slight edge to President Obama.

Thanks to an aggressive performance and a couple of zingers, a plurality of debate watchers questioned in a national survey say that the president won his final faceoff with Republican nominee Mitt Romney.

But a CNN/ORC International poll conducted right after Monday night's faceoff here at Lynn University in south Florida also indicates that the debate may be a draw when it comes to whether it will affect the choice of voters who watched the showdown, and Romney held his own with the president on the commander-in-chief test.

And according to the survey, unlike previous debates, there was a big gender gap, with women responding much more favorably to Obama's performance and men giving a small advantage to Romney.

Forty-eight percent of registered voters who watched Monday night's third presidential debate say that Obama won the showdown, with 40% saying Romney did the better job in a debate dedicated to foreign policy. The president's eight-point advantage over the former Massachusetts governor came among a debate audience that was slightly more Republican than the country as a whole and is just within the survey's sampling error.

Nearly six in ten watchers say that Obama did a better job in the debate than they had expected, 15 points higher than the 44% who said that the GOP challenger had a better than expected debate performance.

The president was critical of Romney right out of the gate, saying a few minutes into the debate that "a few months ago when you were asked what's the biggest geopolitical threat facing America, you said Russia, not Al Qaeda. You said Russia. And the 1980s are now calling to ask for their foreign policy back because the cold war's been over for 20 years."

And a moment later, he slammed Romney, saying "I know you haven't been in a position to actually execute foreign policy, but every time you've offered an opinion, you've been wrong."

Obama's aggressive strategy led the debate audience to give him a narrow 51%-46% edge on leadership, but it may have come at the cost of likeability.

"A majority of debate watchers said that President Obama seemed to be the stronger leader," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "But on the question of likeability, the two candidates are essentially tied on a trait that has generally been an advantage for Obama. That's probably due to the fact that two-thirds of debate watchers felt that Obama spent more time than Mitt Romney on the attack."

But according to the poll, both candidates were seen by debate watchers as able to handle the responsibilities of commander in chief - an important threshold for Romney since he is not the incumbent. But men and women see the commander in chief question very differently.

Majorities of both genders saw Obama as capable of handling that role, but women were split roughly 50/50 on whether Romney had proven himself on that measure, while men responded well to Romney's performance. Women also saw Obama as the stronger leader; men saw Romney as having the edge on leadership. As a result, women saw Obama as the winner of the debate by 22 points, while a plurality of men saw Romney as the victor on Monday night.

Bottom line: The debate appears to be a draw when it comes to affecting the vote of those who tuned in to the faceoff.

Half of those questioned say that the debate did not affect how they would vote, with 25% saying they are more likely to vote for Romney and 24% saying they are more likely to cast a ballot for Obama.

The sample of debate-watchers in the poll was 34% Democratic and 30% Republican.

"That indicates that the sample of debate watchers is about five points more Republican than polls taken among all Americans throughout 2012, so the debate audience was more Republican than the general public," added Holland. "This poll does not and cannot reflect the views of all Americans. It only represents the views of people who watched the debate."

The CNN poll was conducted by ORC, with 448 registered voters who watched the debate questioned by telephone after the end of the October 22nd debate. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 4.5 percentage points.

By a 53%-23% margin, a CBS News poll conducted after the third debate of uncommitted voters also indicated that Obama won the showdown, with nearly one in four saying the debate was a tie.

"The second debate, the president clearly won and yet people came out saying that Romney would do a better job handling the economy. In this final debate the president won again, yet the poll clearly suggests that Romney passed the commander in chief test," says CNN Senior Political Analyst David Gergen, who advised both Democratic and Republican presidents. "What is striking is that neither the second debate, or the third debate seemed to change the overall race, at least in the early hours."

mrconservative64
23-Oct-12, 21:21

Romney vs Obama
I think the governor was helped by a much greater margin from the three presidential debates than the president was. Actually, as in 1960, it was the first debate that will be remembered, you never get a 2nd chance at a first impression. I really can't see how any incumbent with a record like Obama's would have any ammunition in a debate with a creditable challenger. To my recollection since Dwight D. Eisenhower, L.B.J., Jimmy Carter, George Herbert Bush and Mr. Obama were the worst presidents( I wasn't crazy about the younger Bush either) in my lifetime, and none of them were good enough to be re-elected. L.B.J. was smart enough to not seek a second term. I'm beginning to think that Obama will follow in their foot-steps as far as being denied a second term, but I'm not certain as we seem to live in an era in which political correctness has us in a stranglehold as to make job performance much less important than it was when the U.S. was run by the grownups.
hennybogan1953
24-Oct-12, 03:35

Fox news says Romney won the debates. Fox news is watched by more people. Only the liberals think Obama won.

dmaestro
24-Oct-12, 05:25

Fox News is allied with the GOP and Romney.
hennybogan1953
24-Oct-12, 06:49

No it is not. FOX News is the only real news with no bias unlike other news outlets like NBC, CBS, and every other one except FOX News. In the future when you describe FOX news please use all caps because FOX News has a lot FOX's reporting unlike CNN.
dmaestro
24-Oct-12, 07:31

Fox News is known to be an arm of the Republican Party. Even GOP leaders know that. But because the GOP is a tool of the plutocrats, you all really work for them.
abcnews.go.com




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