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zorroloco
31-Oct-12, 09:59

pro life??
i have always felt this way.

Why I Am Pro-Life
By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN
Published: October 27, 2012

HARD-LINE conservatives have gone to new extremes lately in opposing abortion. Last week, Richard Mourdock, the Tea Party-backed Republican Senate candidate in Indiana, declared during a debate that he was against abortion even in the event of rape because after much thought he “came to realize that life is that gift from God. And even when life begins in that horrible situation of rape, that it is something that God intended to happen.” That came on the heels of the Tea Party-backed Republican Representative Joe Walsh of Illinois saying after a recent debate that he opposed abortion even in cases where the life of the mother is in danger, because “with modern technology and science, you can’t find one instance” in which a woman would not survive without an abortion. “Health of the mother has become a tool for abortions anytime, for any reason,” Walsh said. That came in the wake of the Senate hopeful in Missouri, Representative Todd Akin, remarking that pregnancy as a result of “legitimate rape” is rare because “the female body has ways to try and shut that whole thing down.”


These were not slips of the tongue. These are the authentic voices of an ever-more-assertive far-right Republican base that is intent on using uncompromising positions on abortion to not only unseat more centrist Republicans — Mourdock defeated the moderate Republican Senator Richard Lugar of Indiana in the primary — but to overturn the mainstream consensus in America on this issue. That consensus says that those who choose to oppose abortion in their own lives for reasons of faith or philosophy should be respected, but those women who want to make a different personal choice over what happens with their own bodies should be respected, and have the legal protection to do so, as well.

But judging from the unscientific — borderline crazy — statements opposing abortion that we’re hearing lately, there is reason to believe that this delicate balance could be threatened if Mitt Romney and Representative Paul Ryan, and their even more extreme allies, get elected. So to those who want to protect a woman’s right to control what happens with her own body, let me offer just one piece of advice: to name something is to own it. If you can name an issue, you can own the issue. And we must stop letting Republicans name themselves “pro-life” and Democrats as “pro-choice.” It is a huge distortion.

In my world, you don’t get to call yourself “pro-life” and be against common-sense gun control — like banning public access to the kind of semiautomatic assault rifle, designed for warfare, that was used recently in a Colorado theater. You don’t get to call yourself “pro-life” and want to shut down the Environmental Protection Agency, which ensures clean air and clean water, prevents childhood asthma, preserves biodiversity and combats climate change that could disrupt every life on the planet. You don’t get to call yourself “pro-life” and oppose programs like Head Start that provide basic education, health and nutrition for the most disadvantaged children. You can call yourself a “pro-conception-to-birth, indifferent-to-life conservative.” I will never refer to someone who pickets Planned Parenthood but lobbies against common-sense gun laws as “pro-life.”

“Pro-life” can mean only one thing: “respect for the sanctity of life.” And there is no way that respect for the sanctity of life can mean we are obligated to protect every fertilized egg in a woman’s body, no matter how that egg got fertilized, but we are not obligated to protect every living person from being shot with a concealed automatic weapon. I have no respect for someone who relies on voodoo science to declare that a woman’s body can distinguish a “legitimate” rape, but then declares — when 99 percent of all climate scientists conclude that climate change poses a danger to the sanctity of all life on the planet — that global warming is just a hoax.

The term “pro-life” should be a shorthand for respect for the sanctity of life. But I will not let that label apply to people for whom sanctity for life begins at conception and ends at birth. What about the rest of life? Respect for the sanctity of life, if you believe that it begins at conception, cannot end at birth. That radical narrowing of our concern for the sanctity of life is leading to terrible distortions in our society.

Respect for life has to include respect for how that life is lived, enhanced and protected — not only at the moment of conception but afterward, in the course of that life. That’s why, for me, the most “pro-life” politician in America is New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. While he supports a woman’s right to choose, he has also used his position to promote a whole set of policies that enhance everyone’s quality of life — from his ban on smoking in bars and city parks to reduce cancer, to his ban on the sale in New York City of giant sugary drinks to combat obesity and diabetes, to his requirement for posting calorie counts on menus in chain restaurants, to his push to reinstate the expired federal ban on assault weapons and other forms of common-sense gun control, to his support for early childhood education, to his support for mitigating disruptive climate change.

Now that is what I call “pro-life.”

chaz5
31-Oct-12, 10:16

... good presentation. I don't think we'll see very many (if any at all) conservative responses to this pro-life description; but, I wish I would. As a centrist, I think this is a practical 'middle' approach, and not 'just' pro-choice at all.
changeling
31-Oct-12, 16:30

..............Good article.........
astinkyfart
31-Oct-12, 21:42

I didntd like it
I thought it was about abortion its just a political rant. There were some good points but if this person thinks they will change the definition of pro life and pro choice they are wasting time. Just a way to complain about guns again.

Where it gets confused is putting the crimes of others on the backs of republicans or conservatives. That is stupid and a twisted way to satisfy those who want to be witty. Its not even that intelligent and the fact that it entertains some is saying a lot. Conservatives don't like people dying from guns as they don't like abortion. This article says basically that conservatives are ok with it all. Just unintelligent to me.

zorroloco
01-Nov-12, 05:26

stinky
not at all. what it does is exposes the hypocrisy of using the term 'pro life' when what they mean is anti-abortion.
proginoskes
01-Nov-12, 05:46

does that mean that choice crowd is "pro-abortion"?
zorroloco
01-Nov-12, 05:53

jdh
nope. there is a difference. anti abortion folks generally are against abortion. i do not see why they do not like that term. it is accurate.

pro choice people are exactly that. we are for allowing women to have a choice. i am pro choice, but i do not like abortion. not 'pro abortion' at all. i just do not feel it is within my rights to deny abortion to a woman who feels that is her best option.
proginoskes
01-Nov-12, 10:00

So people who do not like abortion, happen to like life. So they are "pro-life". I mean you get to define your position and they cannot define theirs? It sounds like you want to have your cake and eat it too here.

You clearly do think it is within your rights to deny a new life it's right to live. How is that not "pro-abortion"?
zorroloco
01-Nov-12, 10:27

jd
it is different. first off, pro life really is about banning abortions, not about life in general. the term is far to general. to be fair, so is pro choice. but the difference is that pro choice is exactly about the choice. look, i am pro choice about a lot of things i would not do and not recommend. i know you are as well. we both think people should have the right to do as they please, within limits.

it really is about choice. i want my nieces, students, and friends' kids to be able to make their own choice. i would not tell them what to do in the event of pregnancy. hence, pro choice, not pro abortion.

anti abortion folks would make that decision for them, by making safe legal abortion unavailable. hence, anti abortion, not pro life.
proginoskes
01-Nov-12, 12:23

Fair points. Though, I do think some of this is straining at semantical hairs.
zorroloco
01-Nov-12, 13:20

josh
no it isn't. it is an important philosophical and political point. do you believe in freedom or not? i can loathe abortions, but still realize it should be the woman who makes that choice. just like i loathe cigarettes, but would not take away people's right to poison themselves if they want.
proginoskes
01-Nov-12, 13:35

I understand the philosophical argument about abortion re: freedom, but your point about pro-life and pro-choice is really semantical.
zorroloco
01-Nov-12, 14:30

sure
semantics. but words are important. could i be campaign against cigarettes and call my group 'pro-life?' wouldn't it be more honest to call myself a tobacophobe or a cigawarrior or something that reflects my raison d'etre?

but if i am fighting to keep cig s legal, or to decriminalize pot, i could accurately call myself a pro-choice person - because that is truly what i am fighting for - the freedom to chose one's own form of poison... or not.

"what do you read m'lord? words, words, words."
astinkyfart
01-Nov-12, 15:08

Jeff
Still silly. The words pro choice and pro life are automatically assigned to the abortion argument. Trying to expand these two words to fit other aspects of political arguments is just silly. When you start your campaign against cigarettes call it what you want but pro life and pro choice are taken.

I guess since libs don't like the death penalty they are pro life? Its just a completely different argument. You might as well ask us to prove we exist. Its just a class in philosophy.
zorroloco
01-Nov-12, 15:42

stinky
exactly my point. anti-death penalty is not 'pro-life.' and neither is anti-abortion.



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