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dmaestro 09-Nov-12, 20:42 |
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dmaestro 09-Nov-12, 20:50 |
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I would think that someone who thinks they are the smartest guy in the room could come up with a little more originality and versatility than that. I see that you took my advice and didn't write your redundancy in one long run-on sentence this time. You did break it up into two paragraphs this time. However it took you two posts to do it. Tip: you can put two paragraphs into the same post. You don't need to have only one paragraph per post. You could even put three or more different paragraphs into one post. But, please keep trying... you are learning. |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 08:17 |
The problem is a majority of the country does not agree with you or your angry tone and there are less of you over time. You guys need to open your minds to how others see you and find a way to work with and compromise with others. You could start by admitting that everyone who disagrees with you isn't looking for a government handout. |
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christian right is white November 9, 2012 Christian Right Failed to Sway Voters on Issues By LAURIE GOODSTEIN Christian conservatives, for more than two decades a pivotal force in American politics, are grappling with Election Day results that repudiated their influence and suggested that the cultural tide — especially on gay issues — has shifted against them. They are reeling not only from the loss of the presidency, but from what many of them see as a rejection of their agenda. They lost fights against same-sex marriage in all four states where it was on the ballot, and saw anti-abortion-rights Senate candidates defeated and two states vote to legalize marijuana for recreational use. It is not as though they did not put up a fight; they went all out as never before: The Rev. Billy Graham dropped any pretense of nonpartisanship and all but endorsed Mitt Romney for president. Roman Catholic bishops denounced President Obama’s policies as a threat to life, religious liberty and the traditional nuclear family. Ralph Reed’s Faith and Freedom Coalition distributed more voter guides in churches and contacted more homes by mail and phone than ever before. “Millions of American evangelicals are absolutely shocked by not just the presidential election, but by the entire avalanche of results that came in,” R. Albert Mohler Jr., president of the Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, in Louisville, Ky., said in an interview. “It’s not that our message — we think abortion is wrong, we think same-sex marriage is wrong — didn’t get out. It did get out. “It’s that the entire moral landscape has changed,” he said. “An increasingly secularized America understands our positions, and has rejected them.” Conservative Christian leaders said that they would intensify their efforts to make their case, but were just beginning to discuss how to proceed. “We’re not going away, we just need to recalibrate,” said Bob Vander Plaats, president and chief executive of The Family Leader, an evangelical organization in Iowa. The election results are just one indication of larger trends in American religion that Christian conservatives are still digesting, political analysts say. Americans who have no religious affiliation — pollsters call them the “nones” — are now about one-fifth of the population over all, according to a study released last month by the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life. The younger generation is even less religious: about one-third of Americans ages 18 to 22 say they are either atheists, agnostics or nothing in particular. Americans who are secular are far more likely to vote for liberal candidates and for same-sex marriage. Seventy percent of those who said they had no religion voted for Mr. Obama, according to exit polls conducted by Edison Research. “This election signaled the last where a white Christian strategy is workable,” said Robert P. Jones, chief executive of the Public Religion Research Institute, a nonprofit, nonpartisan research and education organization based in Washington. “Barack Obama’s coalition was less than 4 in 10 white Christian,” Dr. Jones said. “He made up for that with not only overwhelming support from the African-American and Latino community, but also with the support of the religiously unaffiliated.” In interviews, conservative Christian leaders pointed to other factors that may have blunted their impact in this election: they were outspent by gay rights advocates in the states where marriage was on the ballot; comments on rape by the Senate candidates Todd Akin in Missouri and Richard E. Mourdock in Indiana were ridiculed nationwide and alienated women; and they never trusted Mr. Romney as a reliably conservative voice on social issues. However, they acknowledge that they are losing ground. The evangelical share of the population is both declining and graying, studies show. Large churches like the Southern Baptist Convention and the Assemblies of God, which have provided an organizing base for the Christian right, are losing members. “In the long run, this means that the Republican constituency is going to be shrinking on the religious end as well as the ethnic end,” said James L. Guth, a professor of political science at Furman University in Greenville, S.C. Meanwhile, religious liberals are gradually becoming more visible. Liberal clergy members spoke out in support of same-sex marriage, and one group ran ads praising Mr. Obama’s health care plan for insuring the poor and the sick. In a development that highlighted the diversity within the Catholic Church, the “Nuns on the Bus” drove through the Midwest warning that the budget proposed by Representative Paul D. Ryan, the Republican vice-presidential nominee, would cut the social safety net. For the Christian right in this election, fervor and turnout were not the problem, many organizers said in interviews. White evangelicals made up 26 percent of the electorate — 3 percent more than in 2004, when they helped to propel President George W. Bush to re-election. During the Republican primaries, some commentators said that Mr. Romney’s Mormon faith would drive away evangelicals, many of whom consider his church a heretical cult. And yet, in the end, evangelicals voted overwhelmingly for Mr. Romney — even matching the presidential vote of Mormons: 78 percent for Mr. Romney and 21 percent for Mr. Obama, according to exit polls by Edison Research. “We did our job,” said Mr. Reed, who helped pioneer religious voter mobilization with the Christian Coalition in the 1980s and ’90s, and is now founder and chairman of the Faith and Freedom Coalition. He said that his organization outdid itself this year, putting out 30 million voter guides in 117,000 churches, 24 million mailings to voters in battleground states and 26 million phone calls. “Those voters turned out, and they voted overwhelmingly against Obama,” Mr. Reed said. “But you can’t be driving in the front of the boat and leaking in the back of the boat, and win the election. “You can’t just overperform among voters of faith,” he continued. “There’s got to be a strategy for younger voters, unmarried voters, women voters — especially single women — and minorities.” The Christian right should have a natural inroad with Hispanics. The vast majority of Hispanics are evangelical or Catholic, and many of those are religious conservatives opposed to same-sex marriage and abortion. And yet, the pressing issue of immigration trumped religion, and Mr. Obama won the Hispanic vote by 44 percentage points. “Latino Protestants were almost as inclined to vote for Mr. Obama as their Catholic brethren were,” said Dr. Guth, at Furman, “and that’s certainly a big change, and going the wrong direction as far as Republicans are concerned.” The election outcome was also sobering news for Catholic bishops, who this year spoke out on politics more forcefully and more explicitly than ever before, some experts said. The bishops and Catholic conservative groups helped lead the fight against same-sex marriage in the four states where that issue was on the ballot. Nationwide, they undertook a campaign that accused Mr. Obama of undermining religious liberty, redoubling their efforts when a provision in the health care overhaul required most employers to provide coverage for contraception. Despite this, Mr. Obama retained the Catholic vote, 50 to 48 percent, according to exit polls, although his support slipped from four years ago. Also, solid majorities of Catholics supported same-sex marriage, said Dr. Jones, the pollster. Bishop Jaime Soto of Sacramento, who serves on the bishops’ domestic policy committee, said that the bishops spoke out on many issues, including immigration and poverty, but got news media attention only when they talked about abortion, same-sex marriage and religious liberty. Voters who identify as Catholic but do not attend Mass on Sunday may not have been listening, he said, but Catholics who attend Mass probably “weigh what the church has to say.” “I think good Catholics can be found across the political spectrum,” Bishop Soto said, “but I do think they wrestle with what the church teaches.” |
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DM Even in victory beating a dead horse. There seems to be some sort of score to settle. The continual racist post about white people coming from the left are a bit puzzling and not sure of the relevance. |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 09:02 |
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You have enjoyed anonymity and have been hiding behind a blank screen for some time now. What gives you the right to say: "The white Christian Right openly declared war on the rest of us". Who is the rest of you? And, who are you to make up such lies as the white Christian Right openly declares war on the rest of you"? |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 09:18 |
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wow wtf? News keeps getting worse for Denise Helms, the 22-year-old California woman whose racist, threatening Facebook status about President Barack Obama went viral this week. Helms has since been fired from her job at a Turlock, Calif., Cold Stone Creamery, and the Secret Service is now looking into her comments. “Another 4 years of this (N-word),” Helms wrote on her Facebook Tuesday night. “Maybe he will get assassinated this term.” Sacramento's Fox 40 news crew caught up with an unapologetic Helms on Wednesday. watch her make a fool of herself here: www.huffingtonpost.com "I didn't think it would be that big of a deal," she said. "The assassination part is kind of harsh. I'm not saying like I would go do that or anything like that, by any means, but if it was to happen, I don't think I'd care one bit." She then took to Facebook to defend herself, according to The Modesto Bee. So apparently my post last night about Obama got onto Twitter and Fox 40 came and interviewed me cause apparently a lot of people in Sacramento think I'm crazy and racist. WOW is all I got to say!! I'm not racist and I'm not crazy. just simply stating my opinion.!!!" Her Facebook account has since been deactivated. Helm's supervisor, Turlock Cold Stone Creamery store director Chris Kegle, told The Bee that he was shocked to read about his employee's comments, which he said do not line up with his company's values. "We found her comments to be very disgusting," Kegle said. "We made the decision [to fire her] because of her comments, but also the community feedback. We are very into working with the community and doing community service. So when your community does not like you because of an employee, that's bad. We have a business to run." Cold Stone's Twitter feed was besieged by angry tweets, and the company has worked hard to disassociate itself with Helms. The Washington, D.C., bureau of the Secret Service told Fox 40 that all threats, or perceived threats, are taken seriously and investigated. If the Secret Service were to decide her threat was legitimate, Helms could face a felony under U.S. Code Section 871, which states prohibits willfully and knowingly threatening "to take the life of, to kidnap, or to inflict bodily harm " on the president, vice president or other office next in succession to the presidency. In September, a North Carolina man was arrested for threatening to kill President Barack Obama in a series of Twitter messages, according to The Smoking Gun. Donte Jamar Sims, 21, was charged in a felony criminal complaint in U.S. District Court. Helms' troubling comments about Obama's race were echoed on election night across the Twitterverse, as many people used social media to spread similar messages. In an effort to curb the trend, Jezebel tracked down many of the teenage miscreants and contacted their schools. Almost all have since taken down their Twitter accounts. |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 09:35 |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 09:47 |
Seems like angry white right wingers could possibly be a bigger problem, not angry blacks or Hispanics. |
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Cowards Mostly though they hide behind the protection of not-releasing any personal information to be scrutinized by they public they so want to influence. In most cases, it is innocent enough but occasionally the writings and saying of cowards become so slanderous that the question must be asked: "WHO is this guy?". |
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softy in my opinion, the ability to not disclose personal information is one of the the advantages of an online chat room. it allows us to state what we believe, w/o the baggage that comes with preconceptions and stereotypes. anyway, what if dm told you everything about him? you would not know if it was true anyway. what do we know about you? absolutely nothing! only what you choose to tell us, and that could be total fabrication. therefore, it is completely irrelevant who someone is - the only thing tht counts in an online forum is what people say. i also find it ironic that you call someone a coward and accuse them of being slanderous in the same sentence. is the irony lost on you? |
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z Certainly Thumper has shared a lot of information including family, location, career(s), stories, personal history, including his profile page here that has a picture and information. And, his postings are always logical and accurate, although sometimes very "cutting" at the expense of the Left. (DM shares nothing.) But, it is a truism, that anonymity allows cowards to hide behind walls and yell slanderous things. That protection gives them boldness. DM is a coward hiding behind anonymity and that gives him the boldness to yell obscene things. WHY do you protect him... you are liberal (generous) with your personal information. Has that caused you any harm? |
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softy calling people cowards while claiming they are slanderous is patently hypocritical. there is no cowardice online because there are no possible threats or repercussions. all of us are equally anonymous unless we choose to disclose our identity. but that is a personal choice. the fact that i disclose a lot is reflective of my personality. not everyone feels (or should feel) that way. btw, calling thumper's posts accurate and logical is really, really, REALLY funny. thanks for the belly laugh this morning. that one brought tears to my eyes. |
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stinky if someone calls another member a racist, without some evidence, that would cross the line in my book. but i have not seen that. did i miss something? |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 11:45 |
When I use the term white I actually refer to a cultural bias common among Whites in conservative areas of the USA and whites who self identify win that cultural bias. There are even a few African americans, asian americans, and Latinos who are self identified with white culture. There are white Americans who do not. 40% of white males and a majority of white females did not vote for Romney who ran on the angry white guy agenda. No offense to anyone based merely on race is intended. |
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The white man is not dead. Conservatism is not dead. The GOP is not dead I swear you all watch too much TV or something. America is now and always has been just a little RIGHT of center on the aggregate on many and most things. The radicals on the left were able to sell their radicalism as the opposition to stupid social politics that the GOP has continued to pursue despite evidence that most Americans don't feel that strongly about limiting gay marriage or completely stopping abortion. The election wasn't a vote for the idiots on the left, but rather against the image of the right being sold to American by the left. I hope the left doesn't hurt its shoulder patting itself on the back too much because despite their flowery declarations, they won an election, not some grand utopian war. To insist otherwise is stupid, naive, arrogant, and ignorant - they do so to their own detriment. Now quote moping about it. And stinky should come back. I swear how many time do all do you guys quit in a huff and come back in a year?? At least stinky doesn't send me love letters to my PM box letting me know how much he dislikes me. That was classy. |
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dmaestro 10-Nov-12, 17:54 |
Responding to you is generally a waste of time. As usual you jump to unsound conclusions and miss the flow. I know what the center of political gravity is. If social conservatives were out of the equation you might have a better point, but they are not. And you have no clue about the purpose of these postings. I do agree that that this was only one victory, but I knew that already. The issue of culture clashes in relation to demographics is not that simple. Have a nice day. |
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www.addictinginfo.org Is it true? |
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