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 will you let them tear it up??
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... do you believe there is no compromise solution?
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compromise?
look at history. When has there ever been a compromise with greed for any length of time. It is the one great weakness of Humanity. War is just another manifestation of greed. How else can they get rich if there are no enemies. We will last long but in the end our weakness will destroy us. I don't pity humanity. I pity the natural World. As the Rhino horn is ground up for aphrodisiacs and the forests are burned down for wood,and the ground is torn open for oil. The Oceans polluted and swept clean of life. I see no attempt at compromise. I only see an ever accelerating race to destruction. All i hear in this country is drill baby drill. So be it. There are millions of worlds out in the cosmos where this scenario has been played or is playing out. No species last for ever in cosmic time. Some die out quick, others last longer due to their natural wisdom or toughness (dinosaurs last several hundred million years while we are just pushing 2-million) Really advanced wise beings would never foul their own nest as we have. Consider the coral reef.Once a year when the moon is full the coral spews out its spawn by the billions. Billions will just die or be eaten. Just a few will find a niche in some crevice. But what have we Humans done?...Wars all through History. All trying to have more wealth then the other guy. Blasting the Earth that gave and gives us life.Where will our spawn find root?? Where????.
It has been theorized that had not the two great Wars been fought, and the wealth wasted for no useful ends, instead had been spent on the betterment of our lot, every man women and child on the planet would have a roof over their heads,food on the table and a good education. We could have devised cleaner energy sources, and we would have started our expansion into the cosmos. For just like all forms of life on earth , if you don't expand to new horizons you doom yourself to just one vulnerable area. It looks to be too late for us. S.E.Morrison got it right when he wrote... the failure to make a proper synthesis between power and responsibility. Sorry to sound so doomsdayish!! I'm just realistically looking at our chances given our behavior. Millions find comfort in the illusion and fantasy of Religion. I see no 'compromise'. If you do chaz then please tell me. I will live my life,maybe some of my children will. But in the long run.....
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good and evil
Well said, Janet.
And as John Milton said, what creates is good, what destroys is evil.
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bc ...
... I understand the plight.
Some live in fear of their enemies or their demons every day of their lives with little optimism and even less hope. Yet others live in a "tell me what to do; don't make me think" life like zombies without direction yet blissfully happy ... and ignorant. If this is all you see, I understand that too. Yet, perfection isn't a very logical goal. Adapting to ever-changing circumstances is its own journey ... that very path between the two mountains of power and responsibility that you refer. Yes, there is some acquiescence on one hand, some losses and some erosion/destruction. On the other there are gains and innovations and harvests of those things our children will use on their particular journey. Historically, it seems one can find albeit cynical references to that particular generation being the last one (over and over and over) ... humanity simply MUST change its ways ... the end is near ... the sky is falling. That's because we can recognize that impending 'cliff' ... and yet ... we adapt. We don't always adapt toward what our parents believed was right or authentic, but we adapt. And, we all survive to assess those rocks and boulders and traps and wild animals in the path again each morning.
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i have optimism!! Mr Compramise.
and i have hope.And i don't run around like a zombie. I am part of environmental organisations in my state and around the world. I work hard to stem the feted tide. But i am talking long range as a Scientist. You are talking about compromise in a situation that has gone far beyond that. Are you cognizant of the amount and numbers of species that have already gone extinct or are going extinct?? Are you up to date on the Arctic and Antarctic ice melt? Are you aware of the accelerating fracking and drilling going on world wide?? Are you aware of the scarcity of fresh clean water around the world.? In my state we just 'compromised' on allowing a huge 'wind energy' proposal to go ahead. We are working very hard.The problem is 'too little to late'. I prefer to live in reality and not in fantasy.Even though it breaks my heart. So please don't paint me as a tree-hugging bleeding heart liberal Sir.I am neither.Just a realist. The Industrial and Human toll on our wildlife an environment is 'accelerating', beyond the point of small compromises in scattered nations. Where is you compromise? If you have ideas get out there like i do and fight!!! Even if its a lost cause its worth it.
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bc ...
... I didn't paint you as anything at all ... you needn't take offense to my words. I was describing some fundamental generalities for which we all fall into in one way or another. I was also balancing your previous critically-written post ... most of which most of us would likely agree. You do seem pessimistic about both the short and long range of things; and, I believe that (a pessimist) to be an easy thing to become ... I tried to present some balancing thoughts. I remain an optimist, and understand the steps I take along that "realist's" path ... and I shall adapt ... and I shall create an environment (as best I can) to permit others to learn, discover, and adapt as well ... while choosing battles carefully. It is not a war to be won per se ... it is vigor toward education and understanding of the right thing to do. For some, perhaps you, it is to fight.
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i am not offended.
i guess i read and hear different things then most people. I hear from micro-biologists and forestry officials around the world. You ( the average person) doesn't hear these things on the news. Or much in educational institutions(1-8 grades) for that matter. Occasionally you hear a few alarming reports, but not enough.Yes we will adapt. But far, far too much of the Beauty of this world 'will' be swept away in the name 'progress,energy,greed and power. The human race is just now waking up to the fact that something has gone wrong. There is no time to have the morning coffee and read the paper. The tipping point has been reached. That's my whole point.
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the tipping point
has been passed, in my opinion. but there is always time for the morning coffee and reading the paper
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The lungs of the world
go ahead you B_____Ds and destroy my world. ;www.youtube.com.
go ahead and pollute the Seas you greedy plutocrats;www.youtube.com.
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hennybogan1953
18-Nov-12, 10:29
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The Crying Game
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hennybogan1953
18-Nov-12, 10:50
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Maybe the guitar weeps because it is made of wood and a tree had to die to make it.
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our future? i hope not.
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dmaestro
18-Nov-12, 13:38
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I am dubious that we need all that shale oil in this generation. Save some oil for future generations. Chemically it is far more valuable that something to be burned.
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dm
is right. oil is far too valuable to burn. future generations will curse our rapacity and short sightedness.
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dmaestro
18-Nov-12, 13:58
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It is silly and future generations will curse those who want the oil now. Simply looking at the cost to the environment and the value of oil for things other than burning, it makes no sense, we lose value by burning oil that cost a lot to extract, not gain it.
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... if oil becomes expensive enough, alternative fuels and fuel sources will more likely be sought.
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yes thats true...
but that means only the rich will get the oil. And by then they would have torn up the earth and ruined the ecosystem. A heavy price to pay yes?
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... if the only motivation is against the rich, then one has to seek ways for the rich to do what is most beneficial. One can do that by making the desirable outcome more profitable. Remember how we handle the battles we choose.
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What is the alternative?
Depending on the volatile Middle East for our oil resources?
I am against drilling offshore in pristine ares. But any land area where the locals will allow it I am in favor of it. Oil drilling not only means energy independence but also lots of very high paying blue collar jobs.
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American energy production is up.
But we don't have to tear up the land to get more. That's greed. That's the oil companies. Who get social welfare subsidies and still gouge us on gas prices. Its rigged. Follow the money and who's making the most and you will find the culprits and the remedies!! example; the so-called keystone pipeline is meant for foreign consumption,where they can get better profits,It is not for us!!. The pipeline starts in Canada and go's to the seaports then overseas, It is very 'dirty' oil. World wide oil production has 'peaked'.That means that in order to get more oil they have to go for harder and harder places to reach oil. This means they want to drill everywhere regardless of the impact. The alternative is to find new and better sources of energy. That will take time of course ,but in the meantime we can stop guzzling gas at such enormous rates.. Get the price of oil down through conservation. If not then the only other thing i see is drill everywhere,destroy the environment and kiss our asses good bye!!! All so a few billionaires can enjoy themselves. You choose.
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BC
Thanks.... I choose to allow drilling in any area which the local populace allows.
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PB go for it!!!
Go to your local town board and organize the people in your district to set up multiple fracking operations. Let me know how this goes. Let me know what the Farmers say when their sink water catches fire and their children sicken. Unfortunately you can only attempt this at the local level with willing people. On the National level the Majority of Americans say 'NO'.
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BC
Lol.... I live in one of the most liberal parts of the US, so that will never happen.
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great!!
enjoy the Liberalism. And leave the solutions to global Warming to the Scientists and Liberals and to the majority of Americans where it belongs. Good day Sir.
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energy companies say they are producing energy cleanly
what a crock of bull ;www.youtube.com.
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