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trigon59 30-Nov-12, 06:05	Women's World Chess Championship Knock-Out Women's World Chess Championship Knock-Out Khanty Mansiysk, Russia Antoaneta Stefanova won with sheck mate! Now : IM Ushenina, Anna ( 2452) (+1 =2 -1) GM Stefanova, Antoaneta (2491) chess2012.ugrasport.com
hennybogan1953 30-Nov-12, 06:06	Women are also good at cooking, cleaning, and making babies.
trigon59 30-Nov-12, 06:07	Who will be the champion of women? Who will be the champion of women? chess2012.ugrasport.com
zorroloco 30-Nov-12, 06:14	trigon thanks for posting that. cool. and do not worry about henny's inane comments. she just likes to disguise herself as a man and act the fool to get attention.
hennybogan1953 30-Nov-12, 06:18	Oh no you DI AH!
proginoskes 30-Nov-12, 11:27	any reason women still play separate from men?
ace_kyi 30-Nov-12, 18:10	Judit Polgar, "I never wanted men's pity." www.chessbase.com Chess is a male dominated game. I am not sure whether women have less interest in chess or they are busy as housewives or mothers and have less time to play. I don't believe they are afraid to play against men because chess is not a contact sport such as football or wrestling. Physically men are stronger and women will have not have much of a chance to win when strong physical force is involved but chess is just a pure intelligent brain game. The reason why women and men still play separate high level chess games is, women are still weaker at chess and will not have much of a chance to win in mixed games. To encourage more women to play and win prizes, women have their own separate games but time is changing and Judit Polgar started it. She is now playing in top level GM games for men. She is a strong GM and can beat many of the great GMs but I wonder whether women can become world chess champion among male dominated chess games. This is similar to President of USA where up to this time all are men. Hillary Clinton as well as Judit Polgar tried it and I am sure one day a woman can become president of USA or world chess champion.
brigadecommander 30-Nov-12, 20:09	its only a matter of time before some Women comes along and beats all of them and becomes WC. You can already see the cracks in 'testosorone castle' beginning to appear. www.youtube.com. Kasporov goes down. www.youtube.com. Kortchnoi goes down. www.youtube.com carlsen goes down. www.youtube.com. Alexei Shirov goes down. www.youtube.com. Anand goes DOWN!!!!. www.youtube.com. Simultaneous. www.youtube.com. US women's championship.
ace_kyi 30-Nov-12, 21:18	Its only a matter of time but evolution takes too much time ! Scientists are wondering whether life forms including intelligent homo sapiens like us can exist in other earth like planets in faraway galaxies. It is a common sense to believe that Darwin's evolution is true and accordingly intelligent life forms will exist in far away planets if given enough time for millions of years. I will not dispute the fact that Judit Polgar is a super strong elite GM but she has to prove worthy of world chess champion by competing in official world chess championship tournament. For example, currently or recently Magnus Carlson has the highest FIDE chess rating in the world by beating top GMs in majority of the tournaments. He is one of the best chess player in the world but not a world champion because he did not participate in last world championship cadidate matches. Time is running out. Chess is the games for young people and if Judit Polgar becomes very old she may not be able to compete in super chess tournaments including that of world championship. She has to evolve quick similar to metamorphosis of un ugly caterpillar to a beautiful butterfly.
ace_kyi 30-Nov-12, 21:29	Knock out system versus Swiss system. Most of the OTB that I play nowadays at the weekend in US are Swiss systems. The disadvantage of knockout system is that once you lose a single game even in early part of the tournament you will be completely out of competition and has no way to recover and catch up. In Swiss system even if you lose a game in the beginning you still have a chance to win if you beat the opponents in most of the game left to play. In this way of knock out system current world champion Hou Yifan and former Indian GM Humpy Koneru were thus eliminated.
brigadecommander 30-Nov-12, 21:29	There are many other WOMEN out there. Unless the men start more Wars. and we Women have to bury our children and rebuild yet again,its only a matter of time before some young Women comes along and kicks ass. That's assuming the men let them compete. So far every attempt has failed.But some day soon,very soon...... Judith Polgar had a peak rating of 2735!.That is far higher then Fischer s best...... tic toc.
proginoskes 30-Nov-12, 21:38	Well, lots of people have had a higher FIDE rating than Robert Fischer . . . so I'm not sure how that's relevant, but clearly a 2735 is about as elite as it gets in and of itself. I see no reason why women should compete in chess separate from the men. Chess isn't weight lifting.
ace_kyi 30-Nov-12, 21:48	I don't believe women are banned to play in men's chess tournaments. The opposite is true. That is, men cannot compete in women's chess tournaments. I don't believe that God cursed women to bear children and suffer since Eve persuaded Adam to eat forbidden apple. There are more and more women at colleges and universities. Women are much better educated and will have more good paying blue collar jobs. I can forsee the days will come when there will be more house-husbands instead of housewives. By then, in the near future woman world chess champion will emerge.
proginoskes 30-Nov-12, 21:54	I don't see why you need to have MORE women doing anything than men, or visa versa. People should be able to do what they want, find interesting, and have an aptitude for . . . You may never have a woman chess champion based on the number of women playing the game at the elite levels. Regardless to sex, the kind of chess talent necessary to be champion - to stand out above all the other elite players - is very rare indeed. And based simply on any statistics you want to run on the system, this speaks against there being a woman champion any time soon, or ever, not because a woman isn't capable, but simply because there are so few women playing, relative to men.
brigadecommander 30-Nov-12, 22:02	ace_kyi you have stated it best in your last post.Thank you. This will surely happen in a peaceful future.
proginoskes 30-Nov-12, 22:17	what ace said, like usual, is garbage women aren't going to "take over"
brigadecommander 30-Nov-12, 22:26	thats not what i meant or how i interpreted ace's comment he didn't say 'women will take over' he said they would achieve equality. There is nothing wrong with house-husbands. Education is the key to all of Human-kinds problems. Any Biological being that ignores the input of 50% of its population is bound to fail. For a million years this dogmatism has resulted in a very troubled world. At first it was by natural selection. Now its just plain stupid and very counter productive.
proginoskes 30-Nov-12, 22:30	women have always had "equality" of the mind - there really is nothing to "achieve" there if what you mean is social equality world-wide, then that is a work in progress, clearly women have easily made social equality in 1st world countries
brigadecommander 30-Nov-12, 22:47	equality?. cut the BULL. Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. . That's just the ones that are reported. One in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime. Most domestic violence incidents are never reported. Domestic violence is a gender-based crime with women being more likely to experience domestic violence than men. According to the National Violence Against Women Survey (NVAWS) violence is a gender-based crime with women being more likely to experience domestic violence than men. 1.5 million women are raped and/or physically assaulted by an intimate partner annually.
trigon59 01-Dec-12, 04:26	Women's World Chess Championship Knock-Out Women's World Chess Championship Knock-Out M Ushenina, Anna (2452) from Ukraine is the new World Champion of women! IM Ushenina, Anna ( 2452) (+1 =2 -1) / and: (+1 =1 -0) GM Stefanova, Antoaneta (2491) chess2012.ugrasport.com
itchynscratchy 01-Dec-12, 04:59	It's all moot anyway really, Judit Polgar is the best female player in the world by a huge distance (and indeed of all time), regardless of who FIDE nominate as the 'women's world champion'. Personally, as excellent an achievement as it is, I'm a bit sad that the women's world champion isn't even a GM yet. FIDE need to get rid of the insulting women's only titles, and concentrate on getting women into the game in developed countries, then they can start to tackle the mountain that is attitudes to women in developing countries, in the same was the IOC has done (This year's olympics was the first one where every member country sent a female competitor I believe). <I see no reason why women should compete in chess separate from the men.> Neither do I, I think women in chess suffer from a lack of role models.
proginoskes 01-Dec-12, 08:27	BC If you look at any sources that are honest about domestic violence, women give as much as they receive, they just come out the losing end by a factor of their weaker strength. I've been "assaulted" by many crazy women in my life. I never reported it and it never really hurt me, while I've never assaulted any women. By that math women engage in much more assault, it simply does not get reported as such. Also a lot of women report "assaults" that are bull or didn't happen. You can ask the Duke LaCrosse team about that. Women aren't little angels just sitting around getting abused on the daily. Can we cut the victim mentality? Women have it better in 1st world countries than anywhere is the social equality is there by cultural standards and acceptances (no one thinks it's "ok" to beat a woman, for instance) and equal protection under the law (some would argue women have MORE protection under the law). If you're looking for a perfect world, you should really stop, because there never will be one. That kind of expectation and disappointment only leads to resentment, anger, and a victim mentality - none of which are helpful to your or society.
brigadecommander 01-Dec-12, 08:36	women don't rape men that often. i disagree with your ideas 'completely' 'utterly' and i read them with great offence. They are an insult to the truth,to Women and to my intelligence. So i guess we should drop this subject here and now. As it serves no useful purpose to argue.Thank you Sir. I suggest you go have a beer with the good old boys and toast to the 'good old days!!!!
chaz5 01-Dec-12, 09:05	bc ... ... jdh makes several valid points and you dismiss them with "offence" [offense]. Just which ones are so objectionable to you. As a woman, it seems your opinion could be valuable here ... especially if we can achieve some objectivity on this subject. You seem to be making this a one-sided or one-view argument ... it is not.
proginoskes 01-Dec-12, 13:16	BC Were you high when you wrote that? How did it even address anything I've said? What "good old days" do I want to toast? Be specific, please. I'm sorry you found offense to the notion that women are considered equal culturally and legally and the fact that women are as abusive as men in any relationship in general. I don't know why you'd find these objective facts offensive, but that's your issue not mine.
hennybogan1953 01-Dec-12, 13:44	You cannot win an argument with a woman it is not possible. Just agree! They perceive facts different from reasonable people.
proginoskes 01-Dec-12, 13:54	Deleted by proginoskes on 01-Dec-12, 13:55.
proginoskes 01-Dec-12, 13:56	Henny I do NOT think that is a fair stereotype. While I do think women tend to be the more emotional sex they are not irrational in general. I think anyone who is a physicist and has as good a chess rating as BC is a very logical person - they would have to be. She was offended by my statements and any of us who get offended can run the risk being more emotional than usual. Her point is that there are still some men who perpetrate abuses on women. This is noted but its not an argument that women are not considered not treated like equals in this country on the aggregate. (had to edit for clarity)
chaz5 01-Dec-12, 14:36	... there are many preconceived notions that we believe true. Remember legitimate rape and a woman's ability to avoid becoming pregnant? We need to see the objectivity of bc's arguments before we pass judgment on their veracity.
brigadecommander 01-Dec-12, 21:23	jdh71 i am not a physicist. I am a Biologist.Itchy is the physicist. As for what pissed me off it was the remark;''If you look at any sources that are honest about domestic violence, women give as much as they receive,'' This is simply 'not' true' I put accurate statistics from reliable sources above in another post.That remark was so untrue as to be inflammatory and derogatory. And you should take it back!!. My remark about good old boys, and good old days was perhaps a bit misleading, but from my point of view, Women do not give as good as they get. And that notion seems common among a large cross-section of Men. If you added up all the times a Women beat up a man,going back 1.5-million years. it would not add up to a tiny fraction of the pillaging and rape and Murder Men have inflicted upon Women. This Violence against Women 'HAS' to stop. Now back to Mr trigon's initial post......Antoaneta Stefanova did very well.
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