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Not clear at all art: This bit puzzles me:
"...Go ahead and talk about my money. I didn't enlist in the Army to serve YOU but you slept at night and didn't wake up dead. So someone laid in the snow with a poncho and an assault rifle but did you ever bother to thank them?..."
As I do not live in the US, at least that bit must have been directed at another surely. Hopefully it wasn't softy. Much as we (softy and I) disagree on so many issues, I have great respect for anyone who serves/served in the armed forces, that includes quite a few members of this club, including softy I believe!
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art ...
... many of us are proud to have served in the military in adverse conditions. And, inevitably folks will have different opinions about things we talk about here. If we're open to discussion about the "why's" of our differences, then these threads offer an opportunity to do so. If all there is are rants and hates about someone or something, it doesn't achieve much; but, anyone can say whatever they please.
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You don't have to be in the United States
to understand that America's military impacts security in the world by beling deployed to over 120 countries. Likewise, if our economy fails - everyone is going to feel it.
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I'll thank anyone for their service
But that does not mean they get the SECDEF job. And it does not mean they like our Constitution or our way-of-life in the United States, either.
There are a lot of things about our Constitution and our country that Obama and the radicals he surrounds himself with don't like about it. They think we're are just a bunch of Colonialists and we need to pay reparations to the descendents of everyone. They think we need to be taken down to Third World Level so that someone else can call the shots and establish policy. Dictators thrive in such an enviroment. And while we are sitting here having nice little little dicussions the government just grew by %5.
Still think Obamacare is going to save money and businesses? And lives? 2013 is going to be such and awesome year ...
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art
I do not disagree with you on the military deployment of US forces around the world. We do have quite a few over here in Darwin (and very well received by most). I do not necessarily agree with where they all are, or why they are there. But that is not the fault of the personnel anyway.
Your economy started to fail well before the current administration, almost certainly due in the most part to greed. Whichever administration was in power at that time would have had an enormous struggle to keep things under control. The question whether the current one has done the rights things, or enough, will be answered not in the short term, but probably within the next decade or so. Quick fixes? there are none.
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Ah, I see, your rants are directed at Obama! He won't be there for long, four years is a speck in the scheme of things. What will be around when he goes though is the continuing growth of large corporations, armament manufacturers, Pharmaceutical companies who rip everyone of, etc. etc.
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art ...
... I appreciate that you have a different opinion; but, I don't see how we're thought of as a bunch of Colonialists or pay reparations, etc. It sounds more like you're disagreeing with how the World is becoming more socialized. Perhaps it's more about the less-than-great job we're doing taking care of the less advantaged (poor, disabled, etc.); or, is it that you think we should not do anything at all? Or, maybe you're unhappy with how corrupt our gov't is becoming (lobbyists, special interests, legislative power misused, etc.).
How would you suggest we resolve these sorts of things? Or, is it something else?
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chaz
it is the same as tat - sour grapes. they are still bitter that obama won a second term - think he is the antichrist. it is so much easier to blame obama than to recognize the systemic flaws.
sour grapes. that is why thumper does not post here anymore. and why softaire only pops in once in a while. sour grapes. they lost and now can do nothing but run away or make idiotic rants... like...
"They think we're are just a bunch of Colonialists and we need to pay reparations to the descendents of everyone. They think we need to be taken down to Third World Level so that someone else can call the shots and establish policy. Dictators thrive in such an enviroment."
looney farm stuff.
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It started to fail because ...
Because the Dems got control of the House and Senate in 2007! Through 2010 the public finally had enough and kicked them out of the H. of Representatives. We could easily be energy-independent but the tree huggers have absolutely destroyed free enterprise in this country. All this while Obama has developed off-shore drilling in other countries (Central, South America) and put a moratorium on drilling in the Gulf. Meanwhile all of these "green energy" debacles like Solyndra waste more taxpayer money. We are sitting on lotsa natural gas and it's pretty clean as far as fuels go. This is Obama's economy and it's a mess. He owns it. He's doing it on purpose. A common peasant understands you can't keep spending if you're not taking in any revenue, and that all the rich people in the world cannot be taxed enough to run this monstrous bureaucracy. Greed? Ask Pelosi and Reid about that. They are leaving Congress worth millions and they got it all by doing something that would be illegal for you and me. Insider trading. Reid was just recently named in a bribery scandal. And Barney Frank wanted everyone to be in a house they couldn't pay for. So we had a housing crisis to help bring things down.
This is Cloward-Piven set in motion. The Progressives want this to happen to push us over the Fiscal Cliff in order to start a revolution that they hope will lead to a Communist/ Socialist America - or One World Government that orders Americans around.
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Obama's bitter.
He can't get anything passed because he failed his party but not getting back the House of Representives. They want to change the fillibuster rules in the Senate. Dirty harry is not going to be able to do it. And Americans are going to hold onto God and their guns regardless of what Obama thinks or does. He won the White House? That's a King without any power to change things right there. It's his prison.
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It's obvious he is not the Anti-Christ
- because he's not successful at anything. He's not attractive at all.
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Looney Farm Stuff
"...it is so much easier to blame Bush than to recognize the systemic flaws."
250 million weapons in the hands of citizens. And you and I are not going into anyone's house to take them away. I'm not bitter at all. I'm armed and free.
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You don't have any proof of this:
"Perhaps it's more about the less-than-great job we're doing taking care of the less advantaged (poor, disabled, etc.)"
All the Democrats do is put the poor on social welfare. What have they done for them? The Progressives just turn poor people into voting prostitution. They are poverty pimps. "Want some mone? Vote for me!" That's the only reason we have Obama, Jackson and Sharpton. They give out free stuff paid for by the Chinese. It's not about equality or giving someone a "hand-up" - it's about staying in power. There's the greed we are all talking about. The dems forego common sense and go straight for power. They don't care what it costs or whom they hurt in the process.
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not successful at all
just winning the presidency twice! lol!
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One simply has to laugh.
I was almost willing to discuss but then these comments came:
"...The Progressives want this to happen to push us over the Fiscal Cliff in order to start a revolution that they hope will lead to a Communist/ Socialist America - or One World Government that orders Americans around..."
"...Dirty harry is not going to be able to do it. And Americans are going to hold onto God and their guns regardless of what Obama thinks or does..."
Really?
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I noticed you never complained about the gay lobby
And the policies they are making. Glad you never complained about the environmental lobby and how they serve to destroy free enterprise in this country. Glad you love all of that transparency in government when they pass bills without debating them on the legislative floor in Washington. Yeah - Hope and Change. It's really worked out so well!
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The 'Gay lobby' is a rights issue.
The environment is everyone's problem.
No government anywhere is ever completely transparent.
US 'bills' are almost always 'loaded documents', it has ever been so.
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Winning the Presidency?
It does not mean anything if you don't have the House of Representatives. Again - I'll ask you: what has he done? The military is in decline and we are leaving Afghanistan without any victory or triumph to speak of. More unemplyment - especially for minoroites and women (two groups that helped him "win" power.) Economy failing and no recovery is in sight. Obamacare taxing our citizens into oblivion. Corruption and thugery rampant in our government. Yeah - if this is "winning" I'd like to go back to Bush. Atleast he cared about his country.
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Perhaps you will get your wish art, I hear there is yet another 'Bush' name being bandied about. Perhaps he can take the US to war against an even bigger foe!
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The Architect
www.foxnews.com
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Libya
Bush did not take us there.
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Walter Konkite
Said that in order to achieve "world peace" (lol!) America will have give up "some of it's sovereignty" ... UN Small Arms Treaty? One simply has to laugh. We would shoot anyone who attempts to take away our rights.
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Pedophilia is a rights issue?
Incest is a rights issue? Polyamory? Bestiality? Pederasty? Bigamy? When will you ever get to the end of the list of "rights" that you intend to afford everyone? Just give everyone a blank marriage license and let them marry everyone in the country if they simply want to! If you can't define marriage - you don't have an argument to stand on!
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Bills do not have to be stuffed with pork
In order to pass legislation. Address the problem in a bill, and stop the Den of Thieves from stealing from future generations. The Dems never learned from Mommy about what an allowance is and why you have to budget.
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Apart from anything else in that 'article' being pure hype, this is a really good bit:
"...The Obama administration squandered the nation’s hard-won victory in Iraq, ceding influence there to Iran. Afghanistan may be abandoned to a cruel and dangerous fate..."
Karl Rove and foxnews! rotflmao
'squandered'? Did Bush mean to takeover in Iraq, possibly with an American government in place? (I'm sure that has already been tried, practically!).
Afghanistan abandoned? Would Karl Rove have even more US soldiers killed and maimed out there in a 'war' they cannot win? For what, democracy? Not going to happen there in our lifetimes.
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Oh art, what is this load of crap?
"...Pedophilia is a rights issue?
Incest is a rights issue? Polyamory? Bestiality? Pederasty? Bigamy? When will you ever get to the end of the list of "rights" that you intend to afford everyone? Just give everyone a blank marriage license and let them marry everyone in the country if they simply want to! If you can't define marriage - you don't have an argument to stand on!..."
Continue!
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Define marriage.
The burden of proof is now on your head. Tell us what marriage is and what it is not. If not two men, why not three men? You're cut with your own words if you say no to anything that does not suit your definition, and you are a hypocrite because you are discriminating against all other forms of love. You're a fraud.
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We did not kill Saddam Hussein
The Iraqi's gave him legal representation, put him on trial, found him guilty of murder and hanged him appropriately. The government there is sovereign, and the election we held were free.
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The fact remains ...
The Surge worked in Iraq and Obama voted against it. Instead of giving McChrystal the 40K he shorted him, and now we are leaving after losing 1500 Americans in the four years since Obama took over Afghanistan. He's incompetent.
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