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 gospel of intoleranceThe filmmaker Roger Ross Williams reveals how money donated by American evangelicals helps to finance a violent antigay movement in Uganda. www.nytimes.com |
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mrconservative64 28-Jan-13, 19:36 |
Speaking of hate.. |
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ZL.... My response is this: although I am not a religious person but I am flexible enough in my worldview to easily understand how the religious right sees abortion as murder. And not just any murder, but the worse kind of murder. The murder of ones own helpless child. Given the lefts support of the right to this sort of heinous murder, what moral standing does it have to criticize anybody? |
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bill the video is talking about churches funding groups in africa who are supporting and advocating for policies to illegalize homosexuality and and in some cases execute gay people. i am not sure how you turn this into a left/right issue about abortion. |
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softy are you confused? did you watch the video? |
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z Why would you bother to point out the practice in Uganda but omit the mention of it in Saudi Arabia, or anywhere else? |
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softy sometimes you act really silly. it is like if i pointed out how football has issues with concussions and brain injury and you say, 'well yeah, but basketball is bad for their knees." yes, but they are different subjects. man. you and mrindependent. no one can talk about an issue without you trying to change the topic. |
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hennybogan1953 29-Jan-13, 15:59 |
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z But what I am really pointing out here is your continual bad-mouthing and bashing anything America. What is your agenda here? Are you saying that Christians are evil or that it is American Christians who are evil? I notice that he even mentioned, in the video, that they bring a lot of money to Uganda and provide food and other good things. Did you miss that or did you simply ignore it as you ignore the elephant in the room about Muslims and their "tolerance" to homosexuality? |
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huh? continual bad mouthing of anything american? really? sorry, but that is just stoopid. continual? anything american? do you pay any attention at all? 'What is your agenda here?' my agenda? in this thread, it was to point out this group of so-called christians who raise money to persecute others in another country. 'Are you saying that Christians are evil or that it is American Christians who are evil?' my god! wtf? are you that simple minded? i posted an artical about THIS GROUP THAT IS RAISING MONEY TO PERSECUTE AFRICAN GAYS! are you a moron? you take a posting of a story in te ny times about this group of evangelicals doing this nasty bit of work, and all you can do is attackl me for calling all christians and/or americans evil? you sir, are a fool. |
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oh brother. so they do some good works. so it follows that supporting a death penalty for gays is the christian thing to do? is that your contention? and the muslims do it too ... so therefore we should not talk about christian groups funding hate and persecution? as for the muslims, their homophobia is repugnant as well. you are ridiculous and pathetic. you seem constitutionally incapable of addressing a topic. you could have said something like, 'yikes... that is horrible. you know other religions also persecute gays. look at islamic homophobia, for example.' i would have respected that. but not you. oh no! you cannot address the issue. you run away shrieking like a little girl about ... what? oh yeah. "look! the muslims are doing it too!!! why doncha talk about that, huh?' a pathetic inability to deal with an issue on its own terms - it always has to be about the muslims or obama. by your standards we should not talk about anything because, 'look! someone else is doing it too!' now i remember why i stopped arguing with you. |
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z My point is that you like to post anti-American statements and articles. You do it quite often. I was wondering about the purpose of this particular one. That's all. It does seem to have "loosened your lug nuts" that I would dare ask about your motives. |
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softy 'My point is that you like to post anti-American statements and articles. You do it quite often. I was wondering about the purpose of this particular one. That's all.' was quite clear. except you also added that i do so continually. so... back it up. when was the last time i did so? as to the purpose of this one, first off...it is not at all anti american. it is a specific thread about a specific group of evangelical churches. second, the purpose is quote clear to anyone who cares to read it without preconceptions that everything impost is antiamerican. yeah. i find it truly offensive that you accuse me of antiamericanism. i am not anti america. i am anti hate. as this thread makes quite clear... again... to anyone who can read with a clear mind. |
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itchy "Are you sure you are not talking about Muslims and the Islamic religion?" refusal to address the issue. and then accuses me of being anti america. classic deflection technique. |
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Jeff: Sorry... maybe I was a little too sensitive this time. |
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hennybogan1953 30-Jan-13, 14:35 |
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dmaestro 30-Jan-13, 17:14 |
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In this particular case dm is spot on the money. The sidestepping and obfuscation surrounding points in this thread are abhorrent. The posters in here who are Americans should all be horrified by this outrage being perpetuated by so called Christians in their own country. Instead of fencing in here why are you not writing to your congressmen, newspapers, television news shows etc. To voice your disgust at the actions of these American Evangelical Organizations? Lethargy perhaps? Immune to horror perhaps? Couldn't care less perhaps? Or simply do not care about what your 'Christian' based communities are up to? |
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Evangelical involvement is old news "KAMPALA, Uganda — At first, it was a fiery contempt for homosexuality that led a Ugandan lawmaker to introduce a bill in 2009 that carried the death penalty for a “serial offender” of the “offense of homosexuality.” "The bill’s failure amid a blitz of international criticism was viewed by many as evidence of power politics, a poor nation bending to the will of rich nations that feed it hundreds of millions of dollars in aid." "But this time around — the bill was reintroduced this month — it is a bitter and broad-based contempt for Western diplomacy that is also fueling its resurrection." "The Obama administration recently said it would use its foreign diplomatic tools, including aid, to promote equal rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people around the world." "But African nations have reacted bitterly to the new dictates of engagement, saying they smack of neo-colonialism. In the case of Uganda, the grudge could even help breathe new life into the anti-homosexuality bill." "Antigovernment demonstrations sometimes turn violent and news about corruption scandals fills the tabloids here, but two things most people agree on is that homosexuality is not tolerated and that Westerners can be overbearing." www.nytimes.com Whoa, what a difference 4 years makes. |
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well of course it is hysterical that the ones claiming to be all about personal responsibility are so quick to shift the blame onto others and to be so reticent to actually blame the people doing these horrific things. hysterical and telling. |
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