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hennybogan1953 11-Feb-13, 13:21	Deleted by hennybogan1953 on 11-Feb-13, 13:23.
hennybogan1953 12-Feb-13, 04:57	Chaz, You really need to work on your insults, your last attempt was pretty pathetic "maybe someday you'll get it" should be in crayon it is not even the least bit clever or amusing. You need to develop a little pizzazz so people don't fall asleep reading your majority pandering and zorroloco agreeathon. You guys should get a room.
zorroloco 12-Feb-13, 05:06	henny and you should make a valiant effort to remove your head from your colon.
rmannstaedt 12-Feb-13, 05:08	Nah, let him be zorro. He's just upset because chaz is better at this than he is.
tat3225 13-Mar-13, 08:56	Bump..............
zorroloco 14-Mar-13, 15:07	??? why did you bump this tat? i thought you had something to add... maybe something about how, after further reflection, you realized that these kids were not infringing on anyone's rights and were making a brave effort to promote awareness of other cultures. perhaps a recognition that their efforts in no way recognize, promote, nor support islamic countries abuse of women, and in fact speaking in arabic has nothing whatsoever to do with muslim traditions. just wondering.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 00:56	I don't know who you think you are talking to. Do not speak to me as though I am 5 years old and DO NOT put words in my mouth. It's bad enough that you deleted all of the posts in the "unnatural" thread that explained why I bumped this thread, but now you're putting words in my mouth and pretending like you didn't delete the relevant posts in the other thread that explain why I bumped this thread. Thank you for wasting my time.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 02:36	By the way, Arabic has everything to do with Islam and Muslim traditions. Arabic is the language of Islam and while not all Islamic countries are Arabic speaking, all Arabic speaking countries are Islamic. Islam started in Saudi Arabia and Arabic is considered a holy language. I take it you've never been flicked, actually its flogged but i guess once an actual public flogging is seen its hard to cobsider "only" being whipped with a small whip as being flogged, by the little whips that the Mutaween carry around because too much of your hair is showing. Or because too much of your arms are showing than is allowed for visiting westerners, even though its 112 degrees. Apparently you haven't noticed that the qu'ran and all Islamic text is written in Arabic. The Quran is written in the querish dialect of Arabic, which is the dialect that was spoken by the prophet and the first Muslims. Apparently you are unaware that women are not allowed to leave most arab islamic countries, or do anything without their husbands permission. Including file a police report against their husband for anything. If you've been to Dubai, you'd know that Muslim attire is prohibited in most restaurants and clubs, including the hijab. Which means you are literally defending a culture that Arabs don't even like or embrace when given the choice. Unless there are all kinds of Arab cultural features I am unaware of that you think are fabulous and worth teaching in the United States as though we should appreciate them. You keep talking about the "culture" in arabic speaking countries as though its great and not the direct result of poverty and hot weather and over a thousand years of Islam. You're acting like the daughters of Muslim royals aren't totally westernized because their fathers know how oppressive and crappy life is for women and basically everyone who isn't rich in Arab countries. And it has EVERYTHING to do with Islam and THE language spoken by everyone is Arabic. Arabic is like handcuffs for most of its speakers because almost no one outside of the Arab world speaks Arabic. Which is precisely why rich Arabs speak fluent English! They're not trying to push Arab culture on the western world because they don't even like their own cultures. The UAE has the most progressive monarchy and leadership in the Arab world which has given the people the ability to choose to abandon some oppressive Islamic expectations and UAE residents who can afford to or are socially able to have dropped Arab "culture" like a bad habit. There isn't one Arabic speaking country on earth that obeys all basic human rights, not even the UAE is that progressive yet. So no, in my opinion and experience there is absolutely nothing about Arabic that conjures up fond memories of Arab culture. It's not like hearing French and longing for a trip to Paris and some macarons. Arabic is the language of oppression, 100 degree heat, gastrointestinal illness, yelling, physical violence, extremely musky and spicy cologne, body odor, and total lack of good government. If you're in Saudi Arabia, it's also the language of the mutaween yelling at Muslims to pray at the requisite 5 times per day. It's nails on a chalkboard to me and I can't think of one good thing, other than food which we already have here, in Arab cultures that we should be teaching to American teenagers.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 03:13	Zl That's how I feel about it. I am not going to change my mind after "reflecting" on things like you apparently think I should. I will never be okay with the pledge of allegiance being recited in Arabic nor am I okay with public schools allowing a student to force something like that on others. For all we know there was a native Arabic speaking girl from Yemen or Lebanon or Syria at that school who likes the United States because she doesn't hear Arabic everywhere she goes. Islam and Arabic and Arab culture in Arabic speaking countries cannot be separated. I personally find it nauseating that Americans and westerners in general are "tolerant" of cultures that treat people horribly, practice cruel and unusual punishment, and restrict the rights of women to the point that household pets in the United States have more rights under the law. Call me a bigot or closed minded all you want. Delete my posts. I will never enable and defend governments and cultures that hurt so many people and hold so many people hostage.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 03:46	And One last thing, since I have nothing to lose at this point considering rmann has already reported me to gameknot and zorroloco is deleting my posts..........for everyone who callously talks about US military occupation in Afghanistan like its a bad thing and thinks that American troops need to withdraw immediately, here is who you're leaving behind to fend for themselves: www.time.com May I also remind people that the Taliban is responsible for the 9/11 attacks, in addition to other atrocities not limited to but include maiming and disfiguring women, shooting them, and raping them and worse. It's not like the Taliban resurgence will only affect afghani women. But I suppose that time magazine picture is photoshopped along with the hundreds of other pictures of women subjected to the same punishment who have subsequently been given asylum and reconstructive surgery in the United States. I am merely lying and distorting the truth again right? I'm sure if I say that this still happens to women I fall into the pathological lying Islam hating bigot right? What about these women? Are they liars too? youtu.be youtu.be
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 04:38	Pakistan, young pakistani girls parents might be sentenced to kill their daughter in islamic honor killing because she openly said she was raped by police: abcnews.go.com Pakistans horrible rape problem www.ibtimes.com young girls raped in Pakistan all the time without punishment for rapists rt.com Young Hindu girls being targeted and forced to become muslim in Pakistan while being raped, rape used as weapon tribune.com.pk Violence against women in Egypt escalating, Muslim brotherhood opposes un laws prohibiting violence against women and women's rights because they violate Islamic law: m.washingtonpost.com Obama providing aid to Muslim brotherhood in Egypt but told to stop: aclj.org Recent mass public execution in Saudi Arabia per sharia law: www.independent.co.uk Saudi Arabia doesn't have enough swordsmen to continue beheadings, will have to go to firing squads: world.time.com
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 04:40	Correction, in the first link to abc, the 13 year old wasn't raped by police, but 4 regular men. But she has brought shame to her family because of this. Something common in Islamic countries. It's always women who are blamed for being raped.
itchynscratchy 15-Mar-13, 05:23	Tat For me, the case "Islamic culture is vile" has been made. There are elements of it that are completely disgraceful and unacceptable. However, I take issue with you argument that speaking the language somehow supports and legitimises these things. Speaking Chinese does not mean you support the Chinese government and their appalling human rights record, speaking German does not mean you support the holocaust. As for your posts being deleted, they were deleted because they were nothing more than content free rants about a person you dislike. They were nothing at all to do with the discussion at the time and can be summarised as "don't complement him, he's a horrible person" and variations on that theme. Now if you want to discuss someone's stated position, and if you want to passionately disagree, then fine, no problem there, but that is not what you were doing. The replies you got back from Ruben were no better, and you'll notice they were deleted as well, so you are not being singled out. If all you want to do is insult each other, do it via private messaging. A discussion board is not the place for it.
zorroloco 15-Mar-13, 06:42	tat itchy said it all.
chaz5 15-Mar-13, 07:24	... the Arabic language represents the millions who speak it as does any other language. I believe that the more we embrace inclusion of Arabic-speaking people into the wider World culture, the greater the chance for mutual understanding and mutual respect. Peoples of all cultures and languages have gone through or are going through this ... just as we have before now ourselves. Let us set the example to copy.
zorroloco 15-Mar-13, 07:35	chaz exactly. i have many arabic speaking students - iraqi, somali, yemeni. i often speak some arabic with them...it makes them happy that i have taken the time to learn some of the language they love. it makes them feel respected and valued. it makes my job easier because they like and respect me in return, and so i have a window of opportunity to educate them - about math, but also about america, about life, about the importance of respecting each other... and not just by telling them, but by living the lesson. these are kids who will grow up in america, and raise american kids - muslim american kids. what could be more important than demonstrating to them that we value them and their language and culture? making them see that this is what america is about. of course, tat would probably call me a traitorous slime for learning arabic and for using it in school because she thinks doing so somehow validates abuse of women in yemen. what she misses is that the girl i am speaking it to is a devout muslim from somalia who is a wonderful, intelligent, and sweet young woman who has learned english almost perfectly in her 3 years in the usa and is studying to be a physician. she will be a positive and constructive member of american society. the fact that i speak to her in arabic, and help her with her math, are important factors in building a positive relationship between us. one that helps me to guide her along her path.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 10:39	zorroloco What does a devout somali muslim look like to a white male in Seattle, exactly? I ask because African female Muslims in Sudan and Somalia are circumcised. That is a pretty important Islamic practice in those places, and no its not done with anesthesia. Does this somali girl know how you feel about God and those who believe in God? Have you told her that people who believe in god are delusional and scared and use God as a security blanket? It's so interesting to me that you can have such hateful things to say one day, yet are praising someone for their "devout" faith the next day. Looks like I was right, in addition to all of my other claims earlier in this thread, when I said that you appear to stand for nothing and stand up for nothing.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 10:40	re: slime You must be confusing me with Rmann. He was the one who used the word slime when he referred to me as slime twice.
zorroloco 15-Mar-13, 10:54	tat yes. she knows i am an atheist. no i have not shared my belief that a belief in god is a delusion - that would be unprofessional and rude in the extreme in the context of a student teacher relationship. it says a lot about you that you cannot understand the differences between an online forum of adults and a student teacher relationship in school. the idea that you think it would be in any way appropriate to share with my students what i share here is insane. also, try to pay attention. where did i praise her for her devoutness? i did not. i mentioned it in the context of describing her. in truth, she and i have had several long discussions about faith, religion, and muslim tradition. she is easy to talk to. unlike you, she listens, has an open mind, and is willing to accept people who think differently than her.
chaz5 15-Mar-13, 10:59	tat ... ... it's alarming that you're this strong in your feelings about muslims inside the US who are trying to become good Americans in their own right. You can certainly justify your thoughts about certain terrible cultural behaviors or practices in other countries (most of us would agree with your points here), but I believe there is resistance to embracing your pitch(as presented) because it is based upon generalizations untrue for all of them. If we are to act as a role model for other countries, we can't accomplish that by dismissing their language or for creating confrontations with their religion. Sorry, while I definitely sympathize with those who are victimized, I do not agree with your generalization.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 11:03	I love how this has been turned around such that Zorroloco is talking from the perspective of implying that I have actually accused Muslim women of being bad people. Only in this club, and only with him could I spend so much time defending women in Islamic countries all while being called a liar, by him, for stating things that happen to them, only to be lectured, again by him, on how an arabic somali Muslim woman is actually a smart and nice person as though I had said that arab women were mean and stupid. Or as though I said that all people who speak Arabic are bad. Which is not what I said. Unbelievable. It's like all the time I spent writing things and posting things is total waste. First I'm accused of lying and distorting the truth, called a bigot, evil and hateful for speaking the truth. Then when presented with evidence (that has been out there this entire time to find for anyone interested in knowing), things are turned around on me as though I am attacking arab women! It makes me nauseous. It honestly does. The lack of integrity in here is astounding. No one here went looking for any of the information I just posted. Not one person was interested in knowing the truth over a month ago after I stated the things that happen to women in Islamic countries. I was called a liar YESTERDAY about this. Now I'm being lectured on how arabic speaking immigrants are actually nice people. As though we were ever talking about that or as though I ever said otherwise. Good God.
zorroloco 15-Mar-13, 11:15	tat everyone agreed with you about the treatment of women in islamic countries. but this thread is about americans in america. your refusal to be able to differentiate the arabic language in america with the treatment of women in other countries leaves you open to attack for missing the obvious. you have absolutely NOT made any valid connections between what this thread is about and your justifiable outrage about poor treatment of women in other countries.
hennybogan1953 15-Mar-13, 11:47	Imagine saying the pledge in German during WW2 with Jews in class.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 11:47	Yup, okay zorroloco. Here is basically what you're saying: "Reading the pledge in arabic is brave and great because it draws attention to cultural awareness, but reading the pledge in arabic in no way represents arab cultures, arab countries, features of arab cultures and arab cultural values and practices, or the treatment of women in those cultures, the Arabic language should also not be wrongly associated with Islam, because arabic has nothing to do with Islam at all. Even though Islamic text is written in arabic and the first muslims were arabs and every single arabic speaking country is Islamic with major sociopolitical gender issues, we are not speaking arabic to draw any attention to those things. We 're just drawing attention to cultural awareness, thats all. It's JUST cultural awareness. Speaking Arabic is NOT intended to actually be representative of or promoting Arab cultures in arabic speaking countries around the world." And no, everyone did not agree with me about the treatment of women in islamic countries. Notably Rmann. Hence my launching an attack at him yesterday.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 11:52	Henny, don't be bigoted! The german language is in no way connected to Germany and Jewish persecution or the holocaust and is in no way representative of Nazi beliefs and it would have been totally appropriate to say the pledge of allegiance in German in an American public school in 1945 because of the cultural awareness it brings. It's the cultural awareness that's important. German is in no way representative of Germany and the nazi's. Anyone who thinks otherwise is hateful and close minded and doesn't appreciate cultural awareness like progressive people do.
chaz5 15-Mar-13, 11:54	tat ... ... I agree completely with your very last post.
tat3225 15-Mar-13, 12:17	That was a joke..... It's a contradiction.
chaz5 15-Mar-13, 12:26	... sorry if I misinterpreted your intent.
zorroloco 15-Mar-13, 13:28	tat i do not believe that these kids were trying to promote female genital mutilation or prohibiting women to drive or sanctioning rape. do you? why don't you put yourself in the place of teenage immigrants and think about why they did what they did. apparently, they have alreade done it in french, spanish, korean and (possibly not done yet) chinese. do you think they were trying to promote the values of all these cultures as well? if so, that amounts to well over half the planet. i think what these students did was intended to draw attention to the diversity of americans. you read too much into it. don't you think the real clear message is that, "we, too, are americans. see we pledge to our flag in our languguage, as well as in english all the other days?" as for the german comparison, we are not at war with any arabic speaking country that i know of.
hennybogan1953 15-Mar-13, 13:38	Terrorists speak arab.
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