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changeling 13-Feb-13, 21:49	New 'Personhood' bill passes! BISMARCK, N.D., Feb. 7, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- For the first time in US history, a personhood amendment has passed the North Dakota Senate. SCR 4009 states, "the inalienable right to life of every human being at any stage of development must be recognized and protected." In addition, the Senate has approved SB 2303 which "ensures that the protection that our criminal laws afford to victims of crimes extends to all human beings born and unborn." SCR 4009 is the first personhood amendment to ever pass the North Dakota Senate. The amendment will move next to the House of Representatives, where similar personhood amendments previously passed in 2009 and 2011 but were prevented from being voted upon by undemocratic maneuvers. "North Dakota is leading the way for equal rights and protections for all human beings," affirmed Jennifer Mason, spokesperson for Personhood USA. "After the struggles to pass life-affirming amendments in the Senate in the past four years, we are very pleased that the North Dakota Senate has chosen to protect all living human beings. This is a historic day in North Dakota." SCR 4009 and SB 2303 were both written as to ensure that mother and baby are both treated as medical patients, that medical care is not inhibited, and that fertility treatments are not banned. "Abortion laws are archaic, based on 40-year-old science and technology," added Mason. "Our understanding of pregnancy and human development since Roe v Wade has changed dramatically. There is no question now that the unborn child is a human being and a person, who has a right to legal recognition and protection." SOURCE Personhood USA
changeling 13-Feb-13, 21:51	How long until a woman who has miscarried comes under legal scrutiny and charged with murder/manslaughter? Can't happen? (I can hear the echoes already!).
charlippar 13-Feb-13, 22:29	Something to chew on... If we give the government the powers to ban abortion does it not seem then that we also give government the power to mandate abortions?...
changeling 13-Feb-13, 23:52	China did that already.
chaz5 14-Feb-13, 08:05	charlippar ... ... is your comment suggesting population control? ... or something more sinister?
tjinwa 14-Feb-13, 08:20	Not government business either way. Based on the fight over abortion currently, the idea of the US going the way of China with mandatory abortion would be laughable if the whole debate weren't so upsetting. This is a decision for women and their family and doctors. MYTH: Women have abortions for selfish or frivolous reasons. The decision to have an abortion is rarely simple. Most women base their decision on several factors, the most common being lack of money and/or unreadiness to start or expand their families due to existing responsibilities. Many feel that the most responsible course of action is to wait until their situation is more suited to childrearing; 66% plan to have children when they are older, financially able to provide necessities for them, and/or in a supportive relationship with a partner so their children will have two parents.8 Others wanted to get pregnant but developed serious medical problems, learned that the fetus had severe abnormalities, or experienced some other personal crisis. About 13,000 women each year have abortions because they have become pregnant as a result of rape or incest.1 NAF
zorroloco 14-Feb-13, 09:12	republicans pro life until birth. after that, you are on your damn own!
rmannstaedt 14-Feb-13, 09:50	republicans No, zorro, you are wrong. Sadly so. It should say: "republicans - pro life until birth. After that, they'll take over and dictate what you can do with your own body." ... unfortunately, they will not let us be on our own. Like the communists, they will dictate and mandate all the most intimate aspects of our lives.
zorroloco 14-Feb-13, 11:07	rmann all the while clammoring that they are the party of individual liberty. pecosbill is the perfect example - claims that allowing gay marriage violates his freedom but does not see that it prohibitting gay marriage violates the rights of gays.
thearrtofnoise 18-Feb-13, 01:55	Democrats The new Slaveowners/ Masters!
thearrtofnoise 18-Feb-13, 01:57	Let me ask my son and daughter ... Hey kids! Are you me? No, Dad. We are not your body. Glad to hear that son, daughter! That means I cannot legally kill you in a hospital! Problem solved.
thearrtofnoise 18-Feb-13, 20:10	*crickets* Funny how the bleeding heart liberals get all quiet when it comes to defending Roe v. Wade anymore. I guess because they know they've already lost the argument when it comes to deciding who lives and who dies.
rmannstaedt 18-Feb-13, 23:50	noise Oh, I'm sorry. You weren't actually trying to make sense, were you? I thought you were just living up to your name. But sure, if you actually want an argument rather than just making noise, could you elaborate on that statement, please? I am a bit uncertain on what you mean "defending Roe v. Wade". Do you want to attack the fundament argument it builds on? And how?
changeling 19-Feb-13, 04:46	Get serious art, Roe v Wade has not been overturned anywhere in the US as far as I am aware. There is no argument to defend. The new trend in the personhood bills being bandied about in some states cannot last and will be overturned once the republican idiots passing them are ousted. Be warned the female vote once these draconian laws come into effect will be a massive swing away from the right, especially when one or two women are eventually charged with homicide after having a miscarriage or two, or three, which happens more frequently than many might think. It's about time some of you idiots condoning these ridiculous bills being passed woke up to reality.
jonheck 19-Feb-13, 07:25	changeling Correct! The pro life side presents "pro abortion" and "pro choice" as the same position and on that point in the hearts of many Americans they are loosing the debate. Although I ,like many others, am generally against abortion, I am far more in favor of individual choice to no lesser degree than I favor freedom. The pro lifers appear to believe that they have the right to impose their personal feelings and beliefs on all others.

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