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hennybogan1953
06-Mar-13, 14:03

What the internet is for
youtu.be
pecosbill
06-Mar-13, 16:26

In support of Softy
I ran across this today:

"The Federal Reserve on Wednesday agreed to keep a key short-term rate near zero until the 7.7% unemployment rate is 6.5% or lower.

The short-term rate will also stay unchanged at 0.25%, the Fed said, until the current 2.2% inflation pace hits 2.5%. Tying the one rate it controls to unemployment and inflation targets is unprecedented, economists said.

The Fed's aim is to spur economic growth and lower long-term borrowing costs for consumers and Corporate America.

To further that goal, the Fed also said it will continue monthly purchases of $45 billion in long-term government bonds. By year's end, it will stop selling a similar amount in short-term Treasury notes, which it had been doing to keep its total holdings of government bonds stable.

Extension of the Fed's bond-buying programs was widely anticipated. Key stock indexes rose 0.5% shortly after the announcement. "

"The Fed also said Wednesday it will continue buying $40 billion a month in mortgage-backed securities. The moves are aimed at holding down long-term interest rates for assets such as mortgages and corporate bonds, theoretically spurring consumers and businesses to buy more homes and factory gear.

The bond-buying initiative is intended to prod investors to shift money from low-yielding bonds to stocks, lifting stock prices and making consumers feel wealthier so they'll spend more."
www.usatoday.com

This is what Softy has been has been saying all along. Just wanted to confirm it with an actual media source.
zorroloco
06-Mar-13, 16:34

yes
these things are and have been defended by stating that stimulation of the economy is the most important step in a long term recovery. if you agree with this, then these measures make a lot of sense. if you disagree, they appear insane.

either way, bush's policies obviously led to the biggest financial meltdown since the great depression. going back to them is truly insane.
pecosbill
06-Mar-13, 17:12

ZL....
ZL: <either way, bush's policies obviously led to the biggest financial meltdown since the great depression. going back to them is truly insane.>
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Ah grasshopper..... I understand your confusion. But these were faulty liberal policies that just happened to come to a head when a Republican was in office. For you to blame Dubya for the meltdown is kinda like blaming the pilot when the wings suddenly fall off the plane.

pecosbill
06-Mar-13, 17:24

ZL...
Anyway, too differently big for this thread.... so I started a new one.... read, learn and enjoy!
zorroloco
06-Mar-13, 17:32

bill
if the financial collapse that happened at the end of bush's eight year term were the fault of previous liberal policies, then how can you blame anything happening now on obama?
softaire
06-Mar-13, 17:52

rmann
QE Insanity: The Fed Is Creating an Artificial, European Economy

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke continues to pump money into the economy, and thinks that the economy needs continued stimulus. Did Bernanke create an artificial economy that depends on the issuance and purchase of debt by the government and Fed? Are President Obama and the Federal Reserve setting the stage for hyperinflation? Find out as Col. Allen West, Terry Jones and John Phillips discuss monetary policy.

Here is more of what I have been saying, except these guys are experts. The informative video last about 9 minutes.
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www.pjtv.com
chaz5
06-Mar-13, 21:19

rmann...
... I appreciate your very thoughtfully-written response.

Often I find the most stimulating media reporting comes from sources that oppose my own views. If they cause me to consider another view, then it makes me think. If they are utterly biased with political motivation, my short-lived attention span at least gains a little about why they think the way they do. Fox and MSNBC represent their constituencies well. CNN is more neutral but is also high on the entertainment scale. BBC has unique perspective, and Al Jazeera is interestingly provocative. But as you've said, I'm lazy ... I do not have the inclination to fact check everything and depend upon others for their interpretations. How do you know what you do?
rmannstaedt
07-Mar-13, 01:00

chaz
Thank you  

Uhm... how do we know the things we do? I read a lot??

But actually, yes, I easily spend a couple of hours a day on the Internet, browsing news, checking trends, trying to keep myself entertained. Except, by "entertained" I mean "ideas and fragments of information that helps me understand the world around me". I enjoy clicking things together, like pieces of a puzzle. Things like "echo chambers" and "poll unskewing" ... and then an earlier concept I met some years ago: "information overload". They fit together; the one concept explains and enhances the other.

The one thing I do not do: I don't, generally, watch TV. My total TV consumption, in a month, is usually less than 4 hours. There are several reasons for that, but the main one is that I find it difficult to really think about the things I see on the TV - you get put into a "passive" mode where you are basically just watching what is happening in front of you. Compared to plain reading - either a book, a paper, or on the Internet - the amount you actually retain and think about, rather than allowing it to sink into the semi-forgetfulness of your subconscious, is miniscule.
chaz5
07-Mar-13, 08:02

rmann...
... one more point. I read a lot, but I find educating myself 'just' by reading to be insufficient unless I can pair my thoughts with someone who is also on the same page. I tend to accept a point unconsciously unless I can actually use it in conversation ... especially with someone who understands how to spar on both sides of an issue (pro/con). Then I learn. But, alone, I do better at reconfirming, or at information gathering. My further point is that I'm prob'ly better at information gathering than most folks out there, but it's insufficient to understand completely or to learn objectively ... one of the reasons I'm here in these threads. And, here in these threads it seems most just like to fence and prove their own base rather than sip an espresso and discuss pros and con civilly. Thanks for listening to my rant. This is why I appreciate your posts.
hennybogan1953
07-Mar-13, 08:50

"I read alot, especially about history, I find that sh..tuff facinating"
youtu.be
zorroloco
07-Mar-13, 09:34

henny
'alot?' really?
rmannstaedt
07-Mar-13, 09:49

chaz
No problem, I appreciate that you appreciate ... so to say  
Had a friend, in high school, who was magnificent at debates - and rather to the right of where I was at the time. Those three years taught me a lot about defending my own views and trying to find the truth which so often lies somewhere in between the extremes.
Same impression about these fora as you; most people here like to rant and score points, not actually converse. Most, but not all. It's always a pleasure when you find those who actually wants to share rather than just move right over you.
Interesting that you react that way to points; I often feel very strongly about things, but then - when actually speaking with people - I find myself seeking a common ground for understanding.
I distrust the motives people have for the things they say and do, and I regard self-interest as a guiding principle in the actions of almost all people, but I recognize and respect that altruism also exists in the world. It's just not very common, sadly. When reading history, which is a major interest of mine, I find a pinch of disbelief in altruism to be a wonderful tool for uncovering the possible motives of people.
hennybogan1953
07-Mar-13, 10:24

Come on Z, two people saying "I read alot" and I'm NOT gonna bring out the old Dennis Hopper/Christopher Walken True Romance clip!

AND as far as reading goes...

youtu.be
rmannstaedt
07-Mar-13, 10:33

It's ok henny. I never click on weird youtube links, but you're fine anyway.
pecosbill
07-Mar-13, 13:05

Bookmark this thread!
I heard a commentator mention this morning on FOX that one of the reasons that the stock market is doing so well is because during a recession businesses are able to "trim the fat" without upsetting pro-labor elements within our society.

After a little research I found a source that agrees with this idea:

"Ultimately, in other words — and as perverse as it may sound — a mildly disappointing economy can be quite good for stocks. High unemployment keeps labor costs low and corporate profits fat."
business.time.com

Somehow I don't think ZL or dm would be so quick to sing the virtues of a improving stock market if they realized one of the factors contributing to its success was high unemployment.

rmannstaedt
07-Mar-13, 13:14

PB
It is not a new idea. Labor costs - in recessions - tend to be either static or only slowly downwards trending, due to very high resistance to cuts in salaries. The major part of the increased competitiveness (as it is usually termed) is usually because labor costs tend not to increase in step with inflation when there is a recession.

Increases in the stock market is sometimes used as a hopeful indicator that the recession may be ending, which is surely a cause for optimism in any case.
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