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bobbynox 22-Aug-06, 19:53	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:10.
zorroloco 22-Aug-06, 21:48	Deleted by zorroloco on 22-Aug-06, 22:02.
proginoskes 22-Aug-06, 21:50	I like being a mod, and I won't be stepping down unless Jeff asks
zorroloco 22-Aug-06, 22:04	mod elections i have some issues with that...but, i am not dead set against it either. i will not run an election however. so, if somebody else can organize it, then ok. lay out a plan, a time frame, and a way to rotate elections so that all mods do not change at the same time (i really do not want that to happen). present it as a plan to be voted on (by whom? all members? just mods?) also, am i de facto president for life because i founded the club? i do not like that idea as it goes against every fiber of my political and social beliefs. also, fair is fair, and for the sake of transparency, you should know that kingofpawns and i split the cost of starting a club.
zorroloco 22-Aug-06, 22:07	jd i will not ask, unless you do a crappy job! but, if others want to mod, and you have served for a period of time (a year?), i think it would be both honorable and practical to let others do so. but, that is a bridge we can cross when/if we get to it.
bobbynox 22-Aug-06, 22:18	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:11.
proginoskes 22-Aug-06, 22:39	in a year . . . who knows
zorroloco 22-Aug-06, 22:46	bobby cool.
bobbynox 22-Aug-06, 22:52	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:11.
imoutofpeanuts 23-Aug-06, 00:33	With girls by the pool and Italian sports cars Brilliant idea, mods by election. That'll ensure that when it comes time to determine if someone needs to be disciplined that those in charge will represent the majority. I would also be in favor of many, many mods. When there is greater accountability then people tend to care more. The reason I have no problem with Jeff being a constant mod/founder is primarely that... because he is on the line if something major happens. Plus, it seems rather tough to change the founders position so that may be another reason why Im fine with Jeff maintaining power.
zorroloco 23-Aug-06, 07:07	cool as in, sure, sounds fine...as long as i don't have to do anything! i have enough on my plate as it is... thanks. i will try not to let the prez for life thing go to my head : ) i was serious about not having any more power than a mod, although ioop is right when he says the buck stops with me because i am listed as founder...so, mods, do a good job and it will never come to that! democracy it shall be!
leo_london 23-Aug-06, 07:37	I have no problem with elected Mods. I was a Mod in the LSF for about a year, I stood down to take a break from GK...and because the World Cup was coming up  . I do think anyone who is chosen as a Mod should be a frequent and active participant in the club..thats where I fell-out with a few people in a different forum. Just one point though, if we vote among the current membership that will be fine and democratic for the current members. The current membership only numbers about 20, what happens when we ( hopefully ) have 50, 100 + members. The Mods in place will not have been " democratically " elected, they may have only received a handful of votes.
bobbynox 23-Aug-06, 07:41	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:11.
zorroloco 23-Aug-06, 07:42	leo 1st point. yes! if someone is just putzing about, and not really engaged in the 1A community, then the rest of the mods will decide if their spot should be opened up to a new mod, and an election can be held. point the 2nd. i do not see this as an issue. people join because they enjoy the caliber and content. after they have been here awhile, it will be time for a new mod election...no worries.
kementari 23-Aug-06, 08:20	While I welcome comments on this sort of thing, in general, something that I learned as the recruiting officer for an extremely active (and, might I add, experienced) group of gamers in an MMORPG: too much administrative focus is a killjoy. Fortunately, I type like the wind and don't mind spending a bit of time helping to establish a solid foundation for a forum. What we've got is very healthy. I could go into all sorts of reasons for why five voices is a great number for forum modding or I could just link the article. For the sake of brevity, I think I'll just link it. en.wikibooks.org" target="_blank">-> en.wikibooks.org You need more than two or three because real life trumps internet life. You need an odd number to prevent ties on votes. You need less than seven because... geez, just see the article and trust me on this one. Now then... the meat. We can do democratically elected mods if you all want, but then you have the problem of setting up a voting mechanism (secret ballots, or public poll) and (this is the biggest problem, by the way) getting a substantial turnout with a clear majority. With 19 members voting on five mods... do you see the problems in the math there? It might be a different story in a group with, say 50 or 60 active members and another 40 or 50 members in the wings who still contribute, just infrequently (which describes my leadership background nicely). Participation in online votes is a real lesson in democracy! Generally, a benevolent dictatorship/oligarchy seems to work best. The de facto leader (generally the guy forking up the dough and setting up the events/website/etc...) chooses people that he works well with and hopes those people don't move on to other things. If problems pop up, we handle them as quietly and efficiently as possible. If there are problems with the way things are dealt with, we address those problems through clear and open communication with that person, the same way the original problems should have been handled in the first place. It's a dynamic and organic process, and it requires a certain diplomatic sensitivity. Certainly, if the members have a problem with the leadership not listening to their concerns, that's a problem that needs to be addressed immediately! (It's also something I have dealt with... tactfully and successfully, with no banning or hard feelings involved. See earlier post on personality conflicts and think about dinner at your in-laws, assuming you don't have a great set of in-laws.) When all is said and done, that forum is best which governs least.... now pardon me while I go say my piece on a thread that I've been meaning to get to.
tugger 23-Aug-06, 08:28	surely as more people join, more mods would be needed... you could just have another election to decide the extra mod... personally, i couldn't care less who the mods are, it makes no difference. i would imagine that if someone were to abuse their position as mod, they would soon be stripped of this privelidge by jeff, and rightly so because, as leo points out, jeff is the one (and kop i guess financially) who stands to suffer should things get out of hand. leo also has a good point that it should be an regular, active member, and if a mod wanted to take a break from either gk or forum activity, it would be honourable and practical to stand down and allow someone more active to do it. it also should be taken into account that due to time-zones, it could be an idea to try to spread out the mods' countries in an attempt to always have at least one online... more so when there are more members to keep an eye on! mods have only a small amount of responsibility in such an easy-going forum... they should be familiar with gk rules, since this is the only thing that will get a post deleted or a member removed. and mods (and of course jeff), should keep in mind, which i'm sure they do, that being a mod/founder/financial backer does not give you a louder voice when it comes to the debates! and jeff... just out of curiosity, do you have to continue paying a monthly/yearly sum to keep the club open, or is it a one off payment?
zorroloco 23-Aug-06, 08:48	cost of club it is $19.95/yr
leo_london 23-Aug-06, 08:57	Kem makes some good points ( as usual )..I will just go along with the majority decision. Thats not a cop-out, I can see both sides of the argument and dont feel that strongly either way. Perhaps we should have a vote about having a vote...that was a joke. Bobby, Bobby, Bobby...Whats a World Cup ??...I'm gobsmacked. Tell him Tugger... You Brummies got off to a good start btw.
zorroloco 23-Aug-06, 09:06	whats a world cup???!!! ok. not all americans are oblivious the the most popular sport in the world! bobby, where have you been? i will try to be understanding and assume that you are just not into sports in general, hence are also woefully ignorant about football (you know, the sport we gringos call soccer). leo, what the heck is a brummie? and i am not sure i want to know the exact literal meaning of gobsmacked, although i understand its colloquial maening.
leo_london 23-Aug-06, 09:19	Jeff..Brummie is just a native of Birmingham..though tugger comes from Kidderminster, he supports Birmingham FC.. about 25/30 miles away ? Gobsmacked is just shocked, surprised. Probably comes from the action some people take when they are surprised, bringing their hand quickly up to the mouth ( gob )...but thats just a guess.
tugger 23-Aug-06, 11:50	yes, i'm a brummie since i was born in birmingham... and leo, you are right, about 25 miles south-west... and yes, i'm delighted with our start, that result against palace was huge... it's good to stamp our authority... we'll come up as champions... and i'm looking wrong about leeds, i now reckon cardiff and west brom...
bobbynox 23-Aug-06, 12:34	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:11.
kementari 23-Aug-06, 23:33	Funny thing, that English language y'all speak <<mods have only a small amount of responsibility in such an easy-going forum... they should be familiar with gk rules, since this is the only thing that will get a post deleted or a member removed. and mods (and of course jeff), should keep in mind, which i'm sure they do, that being a mod/founder/financial backer does not give you a louder voice when it comes to the debates!>> Here, here. With all that being said, I do hope it's well understood that the length of my posts has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not I have a little gavel next to my name (figuratively speaking). I was on debate team in high school, and I talk for a living. I can't help but make my points enthusiastically and support them until I think I've tied up all the loose ends. Anything less would be un-kemmish.

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