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 favorite quote"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it." ~ Aristotle |
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kementari 23-Aug-06, 11:22 |
nice one, Jeff "Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence." ~Einstein |
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imoutofpeanuts 23-Aug-06, 11:43 |
I feel pretty The historical one is as follows and I have found myself with similar beliefs "Three passions, simple but overwhelmingly strong, have governed my life: the longing for love, the search for knowledge, and unbearable pity for the suffering of mankind." - Bertrand Russell And I know this is overly simplistic, but here is my current quotation. Quite fun. "What's *just* has been debated for centuries but let me offer you my definition of social justice: I keep what I earn and you keep what you earn. Do you disagree? Well then tell me how much of what I earn *belongs* to you – and why?" – Walter Williams |
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soulcrates 25-Aug-06, 19:35 |
To answer those questions in that quote, and add one myself. Yes, I disagree. None of what you earn belongs to me. Although less fortunate individuals like Helen Keller, would be deserving at least for being an innocent human being, for charitable assistance. I like the roundness of 10%, it's wrong to think we are here for ourselves alone. "Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and feed him for a lifetime." I believe that was Jesus, but if I'm mistaken please let me know of earlier records. |
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well soulcrates... ""Give a man a fish, and feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, and feed him for a lifetime." I just finished fishing for several hours and to be exact, its been about 4 weeks since I caught a fish. I'd rather have someone give me a fish, less work and better tasting. Or did you mean "teach a man to fish, AND feed him for a lifetime". That works for me. |
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I have a saying pinned to my home notice board... It was this one sayng that helped me get through a very acrimonious divorce. |
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and for those who enjoy quotes many, many quotes here. in my classroom i always post a quote of the day and we discuss it...i often use a quote i disagree with just to keep things interesting. here is one that i find apropriate for academics and for chess as well... "Success consists of going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." ~ Sir Winston Churchill |
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soulcrates 26-Aug-06, 22:32 |
Mozz, that's a great saying. |
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kementari 26-Aug-06, 22:49 |
soulcrates ""Homosexuality is regarded as shameful by barbarians and by those who live under despotic governments just as philosophy is regarded as shameful by them, because it is apparently not in the interest of such rulers to have great ideas engendered in their subjects, or powerful friendships or passionate love-all of which homosexuality is particularly apt to produce." |
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soulcrates 26-Aug-06, 22:50 |
Thanks for the nice thoughts. |
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kementari 26-Aug-06, 23:43 |
That would be silly... Whether or not I've put the same amount of time and study into my chess game as you have (which I clearly haven't, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the game and wanting to learn more) is every bit as relevant as whether or not I can speak Spanish. Man könnte auch sagen, daß der Amerikaner, der Göthe, Kant, und Nietzche auf deutsch nicht lesen kann keine echte Verständnis seiner eigenen Geschichte erreichen kann. Solch eine Argument wäre auch Quatsch, keine Frage dazu. Nicht wahr? Which is to say, it's totally irrelevant. I'm not claiming to have a high chess rating when I speak on topics that I have put considerable time and study into. I'm presenting my beliefs and the foundations that they rest upon. If you find a crack in those foundations, let me know. I would much rather know about that sort of thing so I can take steps to repair it. If I find a crack in yours, I'll let you know for the same reason. It's a good idea to challenge your assumptions on the off chance that you might be wrong about something or missing out on another perspective simply because you've never had it presented that way before. At least I've always felt that way, which is why I enjoy debate. Occasionally, I even learn a thing or two... chess-related or non-chess-related. |
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soulcrates 27-Aug-06, 01:47 |
Kementari |
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soul in the future, i suggest to restrict yourself to arguing the point at hand and try to avoid personal attacks on the person you disagree with. btw, prefacing an insult with a 'thanks for the nice thoughts' does nothing to assuage the insult. |
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One of my favorites... "The more people think your stupid, the more suprised their gonna be when you kill them." |
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soulcrates 27-Aug-06, 19:31 |
Here's my argument Jeff. |
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kementari 27-Aug-06, 19:32 |
*chuckle* |
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kementari 27-Aug-06, 21:32 |
<set mode=moderator> <<Can I overlap arguments from one thread to another, and disrupt everyone, then when someone points it out, it's a "personal attack"?>> Threads go off-topic in forums, they meander in interesting directions, and sometimes they spill over into one another. This is a free speech forum, and if a person wants to make a comment about a topic that is ongoing in one thread in another thread, they are welcome to do so. It is appreciated if we're not talking about a deliberate attempt to derail the thread, but even that is not something that I'm going to get all worked up over. The nature of this forum is one that encourages tenacious debate. If you don't want the debate to spill over to other threads, it's probably best not to respond to long and obviously emotional posts with a one-sentence dismissal. Even if I was not directly involved in this, I wouldn't see your complaint as valid, and I don't see a "personal attack" in what was posted to you. I know myself well enough to say that I would feel this way regardless of whether or not I was personally involved in this. If anyone else disagrees with me and feels I was or am out of line, by all means, let me know. </mode> Now that that's out of the way. I like quotes that make people think. If I see an opportunity to lay one down in a place where I know it will generate some thought or some controversy, I'm going to do it. <<I'd say her coming in here, and completely disrupting our Quotes, was a personal attack against me.>> *scrolls back to the top* Yup, I kind of thought I had the second post in this thread. So... if I'm reading this right, I came in here and completely disrupted a quotes thread by tossing down a comment about Socrates and another quote by Plato as a follow-up to your comment about how much you liked Plato because he was a friend of Socrates? Strange definition of disruption, but alright. Or was it a "personal attack" against you because it made you uncomfortable to think about Socrates that way? That I can almost see if you're seriously grossed out by the whole concept. Please bear in mind that I'm not, and I certainly don't consider it an insult by association in any way shape or form! Socrates was a great thinker. He happened to like boys, no big whup. Lots of aristocrats in Athens did at the time. It was fashionable. <<Where's the outrage?>> Non-existent, I would imagine, because I made no personal attack against you. This is a flame-free zone, and if a discussion has deteriorated to the point where I feel that a person is no longer worth talking to, I can assure you that the insults I would normally respond with in a free-for-all arena (for my own amusement and the amusement of lurkers who have watched my patience slowly deteriorate as it is met with wave after wave of ignorance, which you have in no way demonstrated here) are not the least bit subtle. They happen to be against the rules here, so you won't see me doing it. Period. This is not to say that I won't throw down some fairly passionate challenges and dissect the responses with enthusiasm, but I can do that without insulting anyone's intelligence. (Please also note that I didn't find a single part in the rules that in any way implied that I need to sit back and take it when someone insults my own intelligence. I can and will demonstrate why this is a bad idea without attacking the man if I run into that sort of thing.) <<I'm just pointing her total knowledge in chess is directly related to her knowledge elsewhere>> Two things I'd like to point out here. 1) My rating is based on 10 games played, a few of which were time outs. 2) I've only started studying the mechanics of chess seriously in the past two months, and I'm here precisely because I recognize that the best way to learn is by making mistakes so I can study them. Books can only take you so far. When it comes to debate, rest assured that I've had a lot more practice at it than I have had at chess. <<Sorry for making the same mistake back towards her with a personal attack to get her off this thread, and perhaps stop it from contaminating a future thread.>> Apology accepted. I've already contributed three good quotes to this thread that all served a purpose (making people chuckle and/or think)... I'll contribute one more here: "If you are desirous of obtaining a great name, of becoming the founder of a sect or establishment, be completely mad; but be sure that your madness corresponds with the turn and temper of the age. Have in your madness reason enough to guide your extravagances; do not forget to be excessively opinionated and obstinate. It is certainly possible you may get hanged; but if you escape you will have altars erected to you." - Voltaire |
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soulcrates 27-Aug-06, 22:38 |
*Scrolls back to the top* " it's probably best not to respond to long and obviously emotional posts with a one-sentence dismissal." Like any of your posts AREN'T long and obviously emotional. How am I supposed to speak, why don't you just tell me? I mean this isn't a free speech club or anything. Apology accepted. |
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kementari 27-Aug-06, 23:33 |
No apology was offered. |
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soulcrates 27-Aug-06, 23:46 |
No apology was offered to you. |
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kementari 27-Aug-06, 23:46 |
Ahhh... I just noticed I forgot to put the ~Plato after the quote The comment about Barbarians was from Plato, not from me. I agree with his sentiments, and that's my personal opinion which I have a right to, but I wasn't just randomly posting my own words with quotes around them. My apologies if you interpreted it that way, and I can certainly see where that would be both confusing and offensive. |
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soulcrates 27-Aug-06, 23:49 |
Ok, I truly thought that was you quoting yourself. |
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kementari 27-Aug-06, 23:51 |
Firmly even... "The society which scorns excellence in plumbing because plumbing is a humble activity, and tolerates shoddiness in philosophy because philosophy is an exalted activity, will have neither good plumbing nor good philosophy. Neither its pipes nor its theories will hold water." - John W. Gardner |
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kingofpawns 28-Aug-06, 23:04 |
Darwin supported by some evidence, do little harm, for every one takes a salutary pleasure in proving their falseness: and when this is done, one path towards error is closed and the road to truth is often at the same time opened." (p. 909, Darwin, 1874, The Descent of Man) |
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mark twain said oh yeah! |
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soulcrates 29-Aug-06, 14:56 |
I just had a shake up in my team, and joined another team. "An ounce of prevention is greater than a pound of cure." - Unknown. |
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kementari 03-Sep-06, 17:22 |
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