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soulcrates 07-Sep-06, 14:27	Democratic Moderator Vote If you're for a vote on moderators say, "Aye" then even place an odd number of moderators that would be used for these measures. For instance: Aye! 9 moderators. If we can get enough of our club to want to be part of this ground-breaking democratic process please respond to this message with, "Aye!" We'll figure out later if we should keep all current, or just go by the vote, but that will be left to Jeff, since he is the final word, as we should all respect his final decision. My vote is Aye for the democratic process of electing club moderators, and I say 7 or 9 would be a respectable amount that allows for more eyes to keep the forums clean.
tugger 07-Sep-06, 14:54	i'm all up for mod elections, though i will probably not vote, then moan about those in power... much like real life... aye 7 mods my vote goes to soulcrates... crikey... i voted... that's a first...
pawntificator 07-Sep-06, 15:15	Crikey! I second the motion. aye aye, cap'n 7 mods sounds fair I vote for tugger! Ha ha, just kidding. He would drive this club into the ground!(nudge wink just teasing) My real vote goes for soulcrates also. That way we can be sure all of the mods aren't in cahoots together to stop my evil plan of world domination. If there is enough infighting they won't even notice until it is too late.
kingofpawns 07-Sep-06, 15:17	The main thing... We don't want to be like is the other club, which mean above all everything is out in the open. I know that this is exactly what Jeff wants. So, I will propose a radical democratic solution: 1. Let's make all current members moderators. In this way, everyone shares the responsibility of maintaining the integrity of this club. We also will have a classless club. 2. All new members from now on have a 2 week waiting period. If a majority of the current moderators vote that the new member should be promoted to moderator, then that person will be promoted to moderator. 3. In the extreme and emergency case where a member/moderator goes "nuts" and clearly does something that would violate GK rules, then Jeff should delete or possibly boot the person in question based on his judgement. Otherwise, all other decisions will be based on a democratic vote including discussing the emergency case. What do you think?
proginoskes 07-Sep-06, 15:20	if everyone wants elections, then fine, lets have some elections 5 mods is probably good for now, seeing as we only have a few members, we'll need more as we grow
obviously 07-Sep-06, 15:40	7 mods voting for soulcrates.
bobbynox 07-Sep-06, 15:45	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:14.
tugger 07-Sep-06, 16:00	radical? you don't say... let's all be mods, and we can all delete each other's posts when we have an argument... are you calling me prejudiced? right... *delete* are you saying i'm dumb? i take offence to that... *delete* you think i don't know the difference between a ford capri and a mazda...? *delete* we could have a whole thread of deleted posts... sounds like fun, i'm in...
zorroloco 07-Sep-06, 16:23	kop hmmmmmm.....
leo_london 07-Sep-06, 17:37	Sounds ok with me. Perhaps we should go out to a nice little restaurant and talk it over. Vote for me and I will agree to stand down in a few years time and let you take over. You can trust me, we have been friends for years..... I doubt our American friends will get the reference.
soulcrates 07-Sep-06, 21:22	Jeff has decided to allow a vote for mods He has made a thread for anyone who wants to run for mod. It is called the "club mod elections". From there he will update on whether there are enough to have an election, or just make up to 7 mods. He will become the final word, so to speak, and can veto a majority. We all trust his ability to make the proper decisions, so may the best men/women be chosen.
mozz 08-Sep-06, 02:59	I think KOP is onto something... but he doesn't go far enough. Promote all members to mods and then set up sub committees to evaluate various post types, ie Personal attacks, bad language, inappropriate themes etc. Once they have a greed on a course of action it goes to the overseeing committee for ratification and is then put to a general vote. Deletions of posts and censures to be carried by a simple majority but expulsions to be carried by a 2/3 majority. Once a vote has been carried, of course Jeff will have veto power.
leo_london 08-Sep-06, 04:29	Mozz..all sounds a bit complicated to me.. " sub committees to evaluate various post types "..do we really need to go that far ? Its a small discussion forum on a chess site, there are forums out there with thousands of members..I could see your point if we were setting up something on that scale. I would just carry on with the current proposal to elect 7 mods, 6 actually because Jeff's position is guaranteed as founder. Everyone who is standing has 5 votes, we can take it that they would vote for themselves and for appearances sake that is then avoided. Those not standing have 6 votes, the 6 with the most votes become the moderators along with Jeff.
mozz 08-Sep-06, 08:04	Maybe I should have put a smiley face after my post.
bobbynox 08-Sep-06, 08:11	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:14.
leo_london 08-Sep-06, 10:18	mozz..Well done, I fell for that one. I must be losing it big time, just shows that things are becoming so bizarre in here lately you dont know what to believe.
kingofpawns 08-Sep-06, 13:45	There are many possibilities. Moderators could have terms and regular elections are held yearly. I think it is a good idea have the opportunity and responsibility of being moderator at some point in time.
obviously 08-Sep-06, 14:14	"having MODS and Justices. There could be three justices called out for duty only to make decisions based on MODS-gone-wild! This would take off pressure of Jeff. " But what if those justices, or even worse Jeff himselff freaks out??? I know it is purely hypothetical and highly speculative but even those with the highest moral standards *could* at some point freak out and start deleting/censoring or even banning.
zorroloco 08-Sep-06, 14:15	obviously good point...what should we do if someone freaks out?
zorroloco 08-Sep-06, 14:27	another point as long as the topic is 'freaking out,' what should the club do if someone is obviously trying to instigate dissension? dissent is a great thing...in the context of an honest debate. but, if someone is obviously trolling for a response, and is obviously trying to create a hostile atmosphere, it seems obvious that the club has a right and an obligation to defend itself. i do not claim to have a solution...this club was formed for the express purpose of allowing people to state their message...obviously this implies that there IS a message, and that said statement is not simply a thinly veiled and clumsy effort to destabilize the club. obviously there should be a simple solution. any ideas?
kingofpawns 08-Sep-06, 14:31	If Jeff freaks out and violated the GK rules, the club will be shut down. So we don't have to worry about that   If someone else does, they could be a temporary removal with invitation to come back when/he she has calmed down.
kementari 08-Sep-06, 14:33	...assassination is always an option... I'm kidding. (Sort of.) Character assassination (which I do consider any type of decision to ban without being forthright about the reasoning behind it, and *above all* discussion with the person who may be or demonstrably is out of line) is not okay-- unfortunately, it's very easy to get carried away when you don't agree with someone and say things with certainty that might not be certain. While it's an option, it's not one that should be taken seriously. We do what intelligent adults do when confronted with a conflict. We talk about it, and we try to keep it civil. Hopefully, we do so with our sense of humor intact and the grace to admit when we are overreacting. If I'm overreacting to what I interpret (I think correctly) as a set of rules meant to insure that kids under the age of 10 who might belong to this community don't learn bad social habbits in these forums, then that's a pretty extreme set of rules to uphold. There isn't a whole lot of room for leniency in those standards. If I'm wrong in my interpretation, then my apologies are in order, and consider them given all around. This is one of the reasons why communication is key, and once an issue has been made of something that didn't really need to be made an issue, making an issue of it becomes an issue. I'm not for secret anything, just for stress-free communication that doesn't make mountains out of molehills, but still manages to identify mountains correctly when they pop up on the horizon. That's all, really. I'm big on communication, but this is starting to feel more like work than play, and I'd really rather let the forum run itself as much as possible. That's it. We can make everyone a mod. That would make it much easier to communicate with everyone.
obviously 08-Sep-06, 14:48	Good question Good question however it has little to do with voting mods nor freaking out so I'd suggest to raise that question in a dedicated ""What should we do if someone would try to create a hostile atmosphere"" topic.
flcrackers 08-Sep-06, 15:08	Sounds like... this club is enlarging the bureaucracy, that figures. Its just my 2 cents but it seems jeff might be losing control all in the name of trying to be Mr Nice Person. Which I believe he is by the way. To use the old phrase, "to many cooks spoil the soup". Getting everyones opinion is nice but in the end it is Jeff who decides. Jeff will find it, eventually, that it is lonely at the top, comforted only by his "4" chosen lieutenants. If you ask me and nobody has, the number of mods should be 4. Jeff should know that "pure" democracies don't work because they are always reduced to mob rule. Nothing can divide a camp faster than mob rule, survior of the fitest. Jeff can always add or subtract mods as necessary. Elections are nice but they tend to be popularity contest. Term limits, perhaps, that would give others a chance to take some heat. But in the end Jeff has the final say on all matters, unless ofcourse he defers judgement to his 4 underlings. 4 also keeps the leaks to a minimum. Keep it simple.
obviously 08-Sep-06, 15:09	The answer above was directed at Jeff BTW. ""If I'm overreacting to what I interpret (I think correctly) as a set of rules meant to insure that kids under the age of 10 who might belong to this community don't learn bad social habbits in these forums, then that's a pretty extreme set of rules to uphold. There isn't a whole lot of room for leniency in those standards."" It's the parents responsibility to monitor what little kids read at internet forums IMO, a lot of subjects would otherwise no longer be debatable. The rulesets you mention should be intended for communication during gameplay.
kingofpawns 08-Sep-06, 15:51	I think the solution is obvious.
bobbynox 08-Sep-06, 20:39	Deleted by bobbynox on 23-Jan-07, 08:15.
soulcrates 08-Sep-06, 21:46	Jeff called for a vote There is a thread about it. It is being solved as we speak. Please join us in the vote, if you wish to be part of this ground breaking 1st election on Gameknot for our club's mods. Let us honor the club founder's wishes to hold an official election. If there aren't more than 7 people running, then they will all become mods. Right now there are 3, so take some time to add your contribution to this club.
proginoskes 08-Sep-06, 21:49	robert of the new era with strong leadership! you running for mod?!   (I was serious about the strong leadership stuff)
soulcrates 08-Sep-06, 22:11	Bobby, how quickly you turn into that in which you rebelled against. Didn't you get banned from another club, and didn't you wish you had a voice? As far as I know, Jeff has veto power, so using fear tactics isn't going to stop people from speaking their mind. We all understand there are limits, but just because people disagree, and one of them happens to be an mod with allies in the mod, doesn't mean we can count that as reason for dismissal. The goal is to only use our power when absolutely necessary, and not to throw our weight around like an overpowering dictatorship. This is meant to be an open forum, within reasonable limits, and hopefully we have the leadership to not incite this behavior, nor allow it.
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