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qiwi 13-Sep-06, 17:35	ASTROLOGY Is there any substance to it ? I am pretty open minded myself, especially as some years ago I compiled a list of famous birthdays.... took me bloody ages. b.t.w. I was especially careful in verifying the accuracy of the dates... What I found interesting was how certain traits did indeed show up in different star signs.... Most astrology books that I have read, which isn't very many, stress the fact that Aries is always in a hurry... How about this line-up from Aries (March 23rd) 1912 - Wernher Von Braun : german rocket engineer. Developed the V2 and the Saturn 5 rockets. 1921 - Donald Campbell : British engineer. attained the highest land speed record in a 'wheel driven' as opposed to jet or rocket powered vehicle. He reached 429.311mph in his 'Bluebird' at lake Eyre salt flats in South Australia. 1929 - Roger Bannister - English athlete, first to run a mile in under four minutes, a feat that had been considerd an impossibility. 1931 - Yevgeni Grishin - Russian speed skater - worlds fastest in the 1950s and early 60s. First to cover 500 metres in less than 40 seconds. 1938 - Craig Breedlove - American jet-powered car racer who was the first to set records of 400, 500, & 600 mph on land. Married to an Aries....? Wear your seat-belt!
leo_london 13-Sep-06, 17:48	I've always considered it to be complete nonsense, but ( there is always a " but " )..I went out with a girl years ago who was uncannily accurate at guessing peoples star signs after a few minutes conversation*, way beyond the mathematical odds of probability. * No, she didnt just ask them their birthday !
zorroloco 13-Sep-06, 18:08	i am a cynic but, there are times when it does seem uncanny...my wife is married to an impetuous, forthright, arrogant aries! the question is, do we begin to act a certain way because of the 'pressure' to be what people tell us we are supposed to be? in other words, do we internalize the traits that are supposed to epitomize our astrological?
kementari 13-Sep-06, 18:37	as someone who has studied the subject in depth... Valuable as a learning tool when it comes to studying the human psyche and the life stages we all go through, but as far as accuracy and science goes, it's more along the lines of art. (Specifically, the art of bsing oneself into believing something is true just because it sounds good.) I can guess peoples' sun signs, and occasionally even their moon signs/ascendents with some accuracy, but I attribute this to subconscious conformity to what they've read about themselves. An example, I'm a Libra with a four planet stellium in my eleventh house, with my moon in Scorpio and Scorpio rising. This makes me a very sociable person, concerned with the larger relationships between people and groups of people, focused on science and politics and revolution... on the outside. As far as my inner self goes, I'm a very intense person, deeply intuitive, subtle and a little dangerous when mad. Actually, this applies to darned near everyone you would ever meet, but having read this about myself and listening to the way that it "rings true" at a time when I was figuring out who I was, I am bound to emphasize those parts of my personality. Except for when I don't. Same goes for my sister, who has a four planet stellium including her sun in Capricorn in her second house. She's very good with money and numbers. How much of that is directly related to the fact that I was very into astrology at the age of 19, when she was 11 and really wanted to learn from her big sister? I'd venture to guess... lots. If we're talking about the science and the math behind astrology (something that anyone who has taken the time to memorize the difference between a sextile, a trine, a square, or an opposition and what orbs of separation make any of the above significant in a chart is going to take very seriously), something that really needs to be taken into consideration is precession. www.skeptics.org.uk" target="_blank">-> www.skeptics.org.uk In other words, fun hoby, but zilch in the way of foundations in reality.
softaire 13-Sep-06, 21:12	Out of the millions born under each sign, there will be many, many people who excel in any endeavor and thus you can point to them as being representative of that sign (see it works), but there are as many people from the other signs who also excel in that endeavor, so like Kem, I say it's fun to play the game but means nothing.
soulcrates 13-Sep-06, 23:01	I am a Taurus, but I'm sure most of you could tell that already. Perhaps I too believe in this enough that I've seen 2 types of each sign. Each sign takes up 2 months, and I have a brother who is also a Taurus, but born in April, and I in May, and we're almost completely opposite. I notice this occurrence is quite common, as I suggest any of you who know other people with the same sign who were born in a different month. I do know there are characteristics, that occur prior to, or without knowledge of astronomy, and it's very interesting to find them. About the birthday thing, I think there are only 365.24.....days in a year, so the chance of someone being on it is like 1:365.24. . . . . I liked how your aeries were all some type of racers or engineers. The ones I looked up were all artists, but the only thing I play is guitar. I have been told that I could play well, and I write great songs, but I cannot sing very well. Perhaps there is another sign that has good singers, I could search for?
qiwi 13-Sep-06, 23:43	Soulcrates.... If you are OK with revealing the day of the month when you were born I will tell you who you share a birthday with in my collection....
pawntificator 14-Sep-06, 03:15	Fascinating Coincidence I had my chart done about 2 years ago by the friend of a friend. I too am very skeptical and I barely gave it a glance, hardly a second thought, or even a first thought. Anyhow, I've been in a bit of a difficult space, internally, over the last several days, and somehow I happened to come across that chart again and all these handwritten notes from the girl who did the chart. Well, I was feeling vulnerable when I reread all this stuff, and by god if it wasn't freakishly and frighteningly accurate. I poured over it for maybe 45 minutes thinking perhaps I had found the key to unlocking all of my psychological and emotional issues from the past. Then the pot wore off and I realized it could have applied to anyone. But it's weird, I was up late last night looking at my chart, and here comes qiwi today with this thread. One other thing...about 5 years ago I was up late at night in Upstate New York, no civilization for hundreds of miles and no light pollution. I was looking up at the big beautiful sky when ZOOM! Aliens!! No, just kidding. I was just looking at the billions of stars and for just a moment it seemed possible, just maybe, that there was some sort of resonance between life on earth and all that sky. But it is probably just too geocentric to think in those terms. However, there is no telling either way. Who hasn't looked up at the stars and been struck with awe?
mozz 14-Sep-06, 03:52	I don't believe in astrology but then I'm a libran and libran's don't believe in astrology.
sirtgl 14-Sep-06, 14:40	I used to believe in astrology when I was younger. I read a lot about the subject and even did horoscopes for my friends. It really is astounding how some people are exactly like their signs say they should be. I, for example, am a prototype of a cancer. But then again, I was born on a same day (different year, obviously) as Sylvester Stallone and George W. Bush, and I don't really see anything similar with them and myself. I once read of a study where a bunch of people were sent an individual horoscope, and asked how well they think it fits them. Surprisingly most people thought it fits them very well, even though they all received exactly the same horoscope. It has been suggested that we all just pick the bits that suit us and forget the rest.
qiwi 14-Sep-06, 15:33	Sirtgl..... Unfortunate about sharing the same birthday as 'Dubya' & 'Rambo' and the one you conveniently forgot to mention, Nancy Reagan....... but hey on the same day you also have Adolf Anderssen.... the German chess master forever remembered for his two masterpieces, known respectively as the 'Immortal game' and the 'evergreen game', Bill Haley who will probably be forever remembered for his classic hits 'Shake rattle and Roll' & 'Rock Around the Clock', and the current Dalai Lama, Tenzin Gyatso.
pawntificator 14-Sep-06, 15:53	Ooh! Do me, do me! February 6th! Wait...I mean "sixth February."
alexwilson 14-Sep-06, 17:12	Pluto is no longer a planet. Doesn't that throw the whole thing off?
zorroloco 14-Sep-06, 17:18	alex oh crap! i didn't even think of that! are there a whole bunch of astrologers running around like the proverbial chicken sans tete? good grief! imagine the havoc!
qiwi 14-Sep-06, 20:43	FEBRUARY 6... Crikey... where to start/ 1478 - Sir Thomas More - English statesman & author 'Utopia'. His refusal to acknowledge Henry VIII s new title as head of the church led to his beheading in the tower in 1535. Crikey, bad one first up...   1665 - Queen Anne - the last Stuart to rule Britain during whose reign from 1702 t0 1714 Britain became a great power.......loved eating & grew to gigantic proportions during the latter years of her reign.... calm down Pawnt', just giving a bit of background... 1895 - 'Babe' Ruth - US baseball player extrordinaire.... 1899 - Ramon Novarro - one of the swashbuckling heroes of the cinema famous for his starring role in the 1926 'Ben Hur'. 1911 - Ronald Reagan - 40th President of the US. Mmmmm.. 1912 - Eva Braun - Adolf hitler's mistress.... ooops 1919/1920/1923 - Zsa Zsa Gabor - former Miss Hungary who calls everyone "Darlink". 1922 - Patrick Macnee - English actor - John Steed on television's 'The Avengers'. 1931 - Freddy Trueman - 'Fiery fred' Yorhshire & England cricketer. The first to take 300 wickets in Test matches. 1943 - Fabian - US teen idol from the 60s... 1950 - Natalie Cole - US singer & daughter of legendary Nat King Cole. Yeah... I can see a clear pattern there alright...
pawntificator 14-Sep-06, 21:08	Heh heh Thanks Qiwi. You know, I am somewhat of an idealist, so I can see how Sir Thomas More and I have that in common. Perhaps its reincarnation. I hope to do something extraordinary with this life. Hopefully soon, so that you can put my name on the list. In conclusion, we have proven astrology to be completely accurate in every way, and if you don't believe you will be reincarnated as a toadstool for poisonous wart-causing toads.
qiwi 14-Sep-06, 21:36	Cripes!!! Pawnt' ..... I accidentally omitted someone else you share a birthday with.... 1945 - Bob Marley - the Godfather of reggae.... Soulcrates will be impressed!!
zorroloco 14-Sep-06, 21:52	can i be next? 26th march. pawnie! you share bob's birthday!! now that is goooooodd jah karma! do you know my initials are jah? that is why i have always been a lucky person! lol!!
qiwi 14-Sep-06, 22:11	26th MARCH... 1879 - Othmar Ammann - Swiss-born engineer who designed many of the most famous bridges in the US including 'The George Washington Bridge' in NY & San Francisco's Golden Gate Bridge. 1911 - Tennessee Williams - American playwright - 'The Glass Menagerie', 'A Streetcar named desire', 'Cat on a Hot Tin Roof'... 1914 - General Westmoreland - Commander of US forces in Vietnam... 1917 - Rufus Thomas - R&B artist - 'Walking the Dog' , 'Do the Funky Penguin'. 1931 - Leonard Nimoy - Mr Spock in 'Star Trek' 1939 - James Caan - US actor - Sonny Corleone in the 'Godfather'..... 1943 - Bob Woodward - US investigative journalist - the Watergate affair.... 1944 - Diana Ross - 'The Supremes'..... 1985 - Keira Knightly - Elizabeth Swann in the 'Pirates of the Carribbean'... Interesting group that one Jeff...
kementari 15-Sep-06, 09:13	pawnt <<poured over it for maybe 45 minutes thinking perhaps I had found the key to unlocking all of my psychological and emotional issues from the past. Then the pot wore off and I realized it could have applied to anyone.>> *splurts coffee all over the keyboard* Brilliant. Just brilliant.
kementari 15-Sep-06, 09:25	Deleted by kementari on 15-Sep-06, 22:18.
qiwi 15-Sep-06, 21:38	Kem....on a not so serious note Hey...you are absolutely right on all fronts... the birthday book I compiled was only ever for a bit of frivolous entertainment...
kementari 15-Sep-06, 22:20	On a more serious note, part II (edit to replace "astronomy" with "astrology". small whoops there...) <<I was just looking at the billions of stars and for just a moment it seemed possible, just maybe, that there was some sort of resonance between life on earth and all that sky. But it is probably just too geocentric to think in those terms. However, there is no telling either way. Who hasn't looked up at the stars and been struck with awe?>> A life without awe is one that is not worth living. What we do with that awe, where we allow it to lead us... that's the great adventure. The trouble with relying on assumptions that don't hold up to close scrutiny (like, for instance, the validity of astrology) is that it opens us up to making bad choices. For instance, if I walk into an interview thinking that my natural gift for gab and the proper alignment of the stars for a favorable change in my career is enough to snag the job for me, and don't do my homework because I know that the cosmic vibrations will carry me to where I want to go, I might get that job. I'm pretty fast on my feet. I might get that job and continue to believe that my big decisions should all be timed to match the favorable transits, and avoid making big decisions on days when cosmic vibrations don't support me. I might miss opportunities based on that belief. Worse, I might not get the job, and assume that the universe is out to get me instead of placing blame where blame is due. Life is tough, and you can't rely on anything but yourself to get where you want to go. It's a poor strategy, this looking up to the sky and assuming that it is filled with benevolent goodwill and predetermined fates (although, to be fair, any astrologer who can draw up a half-way decent chart will say that they work with potentials, not certainties) instead of cold indifference. Life can really kick your a** if you rely on it.
kementari 15-Sep-06, 23:31	qiwi Frivolous entertainment is always fun. Almost as fun as pulling apple crisp out of the oven to share with your co-workers the next day... Mmmm... smell the digital yumminess. Hey, if one has to work on a Saturday, it just makes sense to make sure there are good eats to go along with it.
leo_london 16-Sep-06, 06:45	I share my birthday with.. Errol Flynn...obvious similarities there. Brian Wilson..I'm pickin' up good vibrations. Lionel Ritchie...Hello, is it me you're looking for ? Nicole kidman...yummie, yummie.
leo_london 16-Sep-06, 07:11	And..that combination would make me, a cross dresser, drawn to cloyingly sentimental lyrics, who is well endowed in the trouser department but prone to nervous breakdowns. Spot on !..I am beginning to take this stuff seriously.
zorroloco 16-Sep-06, 09:08	qiwi - thanks! Tennessee Williams Leonard Nimoy Bob Woodward Diana Ross - cool! Keira Knightly - hmmm...maybe she will come to my birthday party?
qiwi 17-Sep-06, 01:31	Errol... sorry Leo... It may be best not to mention this to Pawntificator but Nicole Kidman was born in Hawaii.... All in all apart from 'tripod' Flynn, and Nicole there seems to be more of a musical bent to your day... 1924 - Chet Atkins - guitarist & pioneer of the 'Nashville sound' 1936 - Billy Guy - vocalist with the Coasters 'Yakety Yak', 'Charlie Brown', 'Poison Ivy'. 1946 - Cyndi Lauper - singer - 'Girls only want to have fun. ..and for something completely different : 1954 Allan Lamb - South African born cricketer and one of the mainstays of the English cricket team during the 1980s.
soulcrates 17-Sep-06, 02:12	I forgot to watch this thread! oops. Well, now I'm caught up and HOLY CRIKEY! Pawn you lucky dog, sharing a birthday with the Bob. That's a profound coincidence if I ever heard one! Well, for fun Qiwi, I will tell you a person who shares my birthday, then you can figure it out easily, and tell me who matches on your list. Her name is Aubrey Hepburn, and she was the hot sister. Both of them were spectacular actresses though. That is probably the only famous one I share, but maybe your list is different than mine.
mozz 17-Sep-06, 02:37	I share my special day with... * 1633 - James II of England and VII of Scotland * 1644 - William Penn, English founder of Pennsylvania * 1687 - Robert Simson, Scottish mathematician * 1784 - King Ferdinand VII of Spain * 1801 - Joseph Plateau, Belgian physicist * 1890 - Dwight D. Eisenhower, U.S. general and 34th President of the United States * 1893 - Lillian Gish, American actress * 1914 - Raymond Davis Jr., American physicist, Nobel Prize laureate * 1927 - Roger Moore, English actor * 1940 - Cliff Richard, British singer * 1958 - Thomas Dolby, British musician * 1960 - Steve Cram, British track athlete * 1974 - Jessica Drake, American porn star * 1983 - Vanessa Lane, American porn star Quite an array of people. Now what common traits do you suppose they have? We've got Cliff Richard, worlds oldest virgin with porn stars, kings, presidents and physicists?
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