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soulcrates 03-Oct-06, 21:23	Condoleeza Rice ignores terror warning. WISVA" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class=ext>www.usatoday.com" target="_blank">-> www.usatoday.com I thought perhaps people would like to see why I have such a distaste for this person.
echo3 04-Oct-06, 02:57	I thought you..... ... goling to present some facts here soulcrates. This is just one guy's opinion isn't it? Rice denies it. Now if Rice had ADMITTED Woodwards claims, then i'd see why you have such a distaste for her.
alexwilson 04-Oct-06, 03:33	I don't like her. Condolezza Rice was the one who warned the American people if we didn't invade Saddam the consequences could be "the mushroom cloud over our cities." She and every other person in the administration knew at the time there was no evidence Saddam had a nuclear program. She is a liar. Maybe a bigger liar than GWB.
echo3 04-Oct-06, 08:26	Deleted by echo3 on 04-Oct-06, 08:26.
echo3 04-Oct-06, 08:27	Why? Is she taller or stockier than GWB then?
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 09:46	No, She's just the mouth of the lies created by the current Administration. She had the audacity to tell the American people that they had "No idea" terrorists would hijack planes and use them as missles. Clark is saying that is untrue. Not only is Clark proving it, but on 9/11 there were war games being held by Dick Cheney where they were practicing tracking hijacked planes that were going to be used as missles on US landmarks. How could they be practicing for the exact thing that happened on that day, and have t.Condoleeza Rice say, "We had no idea!" What a blatant lie. Don't believe anything liars have to say, because it's probably just more lies, according to their track record. OBL priority number 1? I think not.
zorroloco 04-Oct-06, 09:47	gw did he not say that we would catch obl dead or alive, and then several months later say he did not spend any effort even thinking about him?
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 09:54	Yes Jeff He did exactly that. Yet another lie on this already huge stack. Kind of like when they said the entire conflict in Iraq would cost 2-4 billion. Now that's up to 2-4 Trillion with 2 billion being spent per week. Lies, Lies, and more Lies. I have good reasons not to trust them.
alexwilson 04-Oct-06, 10:01	What I want to know is why we are finding out about this meeting between Condi Rice and George Tenant from Bob Woodward. I thought the 9-11 commission did an investigation and got the co-operation from the White House. Either the 9-11 commission report was a whitewash of Bush's negligence or the Bush Administration was stonewalling the commission. We are basing our national security defenses on the results of that commission report. We can't have the Bush administration playing peek-a-boo and hide and seak over this stuff.
echo3 04-Oct-06, 12:00	soulcrates... "She's just the mouth of the lies" "She had the audacity" "What a blatant lie" "Don't believe anything liars have to say" "it's probably just more lies" "Yet another lie on this already huge stack" "Lies, Lies, and more Lies" ..... please excuse my candour but your posts herein are the poorest sort of diatribe. Bereft of any facts and full of useless invective. Are you seriously hoping to persuade anyone of your views with these comments?
jaymar 04-Oct-06, 12:14	Echo.. .. I have spent the last 15 minutes trying to be as succinct as you have been in your last post and failing dismally. Its the sheer audacity of the posts that have thrown me. Biased is too polite a word. We are dealing with people who would kill you where you work, stand or sleep. But it's the administrations fault. Even though these same people were trying to do it long before this admin came into being. Well all you brave Americans, vote in a new administration when the time comes and see how things change. You are in for a surprise.
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 13:48	Here's the thing. Saying Muslims want to kill you "where you work, stand or sleep" is completely what this administration wants you to believe. Here are some stats: 5-8 million muslims living in America. Saying this would mean that 5-8 million muslims aren't doing what their Qur'an tells them, or you're lying about the threat. I'm going to have to say that ignorance is bliss, and people who wish to keep it will not only lie about others to keep ignorant, but also people will want to believe it even without facts. About Condoleeza Rice lying, here's some facts so you don't think I'm just some ignoramus making up lies. War games on September 11th, 2001 lead by Dick Cheney, who became the Commander-in-chief on September 11th, putting the entire event in his responsibility. In" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class=ext>911research.wtc7.net" target="_blank">-> 911research.wtc7.net this research article there is evidence that games were played in preparation of a hijacked plane that was aiming to destroy landmarks. Condoleeza Rice said after the attack that the white house knew nothing of people using planes as missles. This is a lie. Condoleeza Rice also now wants us to believe her over Mr. Clark, even though we already have proof of her being deceitful. Bush said OBL is priority number 1, and somehow during the Iraqi debacle OBL became nothing to waste the presidents time with. If you wish to believe, and continue to believe that Islam is the problem, and not the US government, then you will only find the truth after you've died. I for one hope to share this information with people who wish to learn, and not remain ignorant to the 90% of the planet that is not American, and feel that because they're not American that they're wrong. Perhaps the facism in American has taken on a life of it's own, and people are willing to fight for greedy capitalistic ideals than a world with peace.
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 13:50	There are so many lies here is an ARCHIVE If" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" class=ext>www.theleftcoaster.com" target="_blank">-> www.theleftcoaster.com you get time to read them, I'm sure you'll either come to the conclusion that you're being lied to by the Government, or you'll continue to ignore these Facts, and just continue to lie about that which you do not know.
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 13:51	Link didn't work. www.theleftcoaster.com" target="_blank">-> www.theleftcoaster.com Why is gameknot different for posting links than any other forums?
echo3 04-Oct-06, 14:58	OK Soulcrates.... ... let's sort this out one thing at a time then. Convince me. Point One:- Rice's 9/11 "lie". Let's get to the bottom of it shall we? This is from your above link - "Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said she cannot recall then-CIA chief George Tenet warning her of an impending al-Qaida attack in the United States, as a new book claims he did two months before the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001." Nevermind what Woodward, Clark (?) or Mickey Mouse says. If only Rice and Tenet were present, the only way to start to support your conclusion is if George Tenet says he told her about a hijack threat at their meeting. Even then it would be his word against hers. hardly supportable in a court of law but at least we could decide for ourselves which of them we'd prefer to believe, QUESTION: Has tenet said publicly that he told her of impending al qaeda attacks at that meeting?
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 15:43	You're dwelling on the newest set of information still coming out, instead of the already proven information that came out after 9/11. If you would do research you'd notice that war games were being played for the exact same incident that actually occurred on 9/11 meaning that the government had some idea that this was possible. When Condoleeza Rice said the government had no idea this could happen. Then how do they explain the war games? Was it pure accident that they were protecting us against something they didn't think would happen? It was a blatant lie, and anyone who cannot see that is not worth researching further to convince. You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. I've given you the proof of the war games, and what they were held for, and yet the government says they didn't know it could happen, and you believe them?
zorroloco 04-Oct-06, 16:20	soul the problem here is that you are giving credit to the government for knowing what the hell it was doing. i mean that literally! it is very possible that the military was engaging in these exercises, but the administration knew nothing of it. it is the BUSH ADMINISTRATION FER GAWDS SAKE! they are either lying schmuks or criminally incompetent. or both. take your pick.
soulcrates 04-Oct-06, 20:47	I have, they're both. Completely the worst types of people to ever have disgraced this planet with their existence. Everyone has some bad things in their lives, but if you trace back those in the white house, it's at a totally worse degree. I'm not just talking republican though either, but this currently is about those in the white house, and they happen to be republican, so we'll stick with it for now. The president's wife even has a history of violence. She apparently "accidentally" ran into her recent ex-boyfriend in his car, and killed him. Apparently 2 people do marry each other, because they have a lot in common.
jaymar 05-Oct-06, 02:20	Soul.. ..you are distorting what I said. I've noticed that a lot of muslims do this when being interviewed or when commenting on events. I didn't say "muslims want to kill you etc.etc." I said we were dealing with people who want to do this. i.e. some muslims as in the "extremists". That is an undeniable fact. Unfortunately moderate muslims seem slow to condemn this. It might be because they are just as afraid as the rest of us or it might be that they secretly wish the fanatics success since a true follower of Islam views other beliefs as an affront. Its hard to know. Your attempt to distort the facts and accuse the US administration (non-muslim) of being the sole threat to world peace and the cause of the present problems just does not wash. Introducing conspiracy theories is no more than an attempt to distort the truth. Shortly GWB and condi and all the others will be consigned to history. Politics will move on and they will be peripheral figures. Will everything be alright then? I think not. Our enemies, your muslim brothers will still be there. For me the truth is that Islamic extremists were responsible for 9/11 ( and Bali/Madrid/ 7/7 etc.) and they are our enemy.
echo3 05-Oct-06, 04:39	Soullcrates,will you actually debate? You have called Rice a liar over the Tenet meeting. I don't know either way. I'm asking you to show me where Tenet has told us she lied. If you can't show me this, then your argument is based on nothing factual. It's simple really. I'm not being obtuse or facetious, I want to debate this one issue with you.
soulcrates 05-Oct-06, 12:18	Jaymar, how did I take this wrong? "We are dealing with people who would kill you where you work, stand or sleep" "For me the truth is that Islamic extremists were responsible for 9/11 (and bali/madrid/ 7/7 etc.) and they are our enemy." So who are the extremists and who are the muslims? How did I take it wrong if you placed such a broad perspective on the entire 2.2 billion Muslims on Earth? Perhaps you could explain that to me, so that I don't "distort" anything else you have to say? Perhaps you could explain why there were upward metal shrapnel from the bottom of the trains on 7/7, and how the only bus attacked was specifically told by the government to change it's route for that day only, and ended up blowing up miles from any stop it should have been near? Perhaps you can explain why these things keep happening, and why there were 2 separate incidents on 7/7 where the same "terrorists" id was found? I don't want to distort your view on WWIII against 2.2 billion muslims. Inform me please.
soulcrates 05-Oct-06, 12:21	Echo3 The State Department said late Monday that Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had met with then CIA director George Tenet "on or around July 10, 2001." This was the article I linked that states the STATE DEPARTMENT said this, and NOT ME. Perhaps you could debate it with them and get the answers you need.
jaymar 05-Oct-06, 12:47	Soul.. ..if you don' know the difference between the moderates and the extremists in Islam then a simple non-believer like me has no chance of explaining it to you. Although if you like I'll try and take things a little slower so that you can follow. These convoluted conspiracy theories of yours seem to be aimed at showing that there are no murdering, ruthless, scum killers in Islam and that it is in fact just a put up job by Western governments. AQ/Taliban/Janjaweed. All nice chaps really. Its them democratically elected governments that are the problem. First the US govt was behind 9/11 and now Tony Blair and his evil cronies planned 7/7? Bali was an Indonesian govt. plot? Lets get rid of democracy, introduce theocracy and we can all live in peace together. As long as no one tries to have an independent thought.
soulcrates 05-Oct-06, 16:33	Jaymar, perhaps you don't understand that when you generalize about "they" you are referring to all muslims, unless specifically stated that you mean the extremists. Still, if you read the Qur'an it doesn't ever say to kill non-muslims. I just keep hearing people who think it's all muslims, and that is why I reported that there are close to 10 million Muslims in America who haven't suicide bombed anyone. It's a stereotype that has been pushed onto television and media as a scare tactic. I just hope you don't fall for it. About the 7/7 it was to get resolve from the on the fence british. It worked. Same goes with 9/11 and Americans who would normally be against pre-emptive strikes. Obviously it's working as planned, but you must first search thru the lies to see the plan.
echo3 05-Oct-06, 16:49	Soulcrates Are you being deliberately evasive? I'm not disputing that the mtg took place. Your link says that Rice lied about being warned about threats at a mtg with George Tenet. I'm saying what does Tenet say he told her? In other words, did she lie about what Tenet told her or did someone just make that up for political capital?
soulcrates 05-Oct-06, 16:55	Bring your own spoon, it's feeding time. irregulartimes.com" target="_blank">-> irregulartimes.com if you doubt any of these stories, please look them up yourself. I'm in school right now, and don't have time to teach.
soulcrates 05-Oct-06, 17:00	That's it for today students. www.princetonprog.com" target="_blank">-> www.princetonprog.com
echo3 05-Oct-06, 17:03	Thanks Soulcrates..... ... but you're dishing up the judgements. Why shouldn't you provide the evidence? This link is full of the same stuff you dish up here. What we need is the details of the CIA file they gave to Bush(as quoted by CIA sources so we can be sure of it's authenticity) btw Your angle of making judgements and then saying go seek the hard evidence yourself is very curious. btw Evidence and hearsay/gossip are NOT the same thing
soulcrates 05-Oct-06, 17:04	YOU NEED SPOON FED ECHO. Perhaps you could try and do some research on your own, but it seems that you actually doing research is a far fetched idea. You're merely a nay sayer, and you don't understand that all of this proves that she's a liar. She's been proven a liar, so when this new info came out and it's her word against Tenets, only the ignorant believe her when this proof is so abundant. Perhaps you should read it sometime, instead of immediately accusing me of not providing it?
echo3 05-Oct-06, 17:11	Ok ok I'll go find if there is any evidence that Tenet says Rice is lying.
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