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 Paedophiles treated better than children in care, says Samantha Mortonshe is right on. Liberal Judges in America are following this same path. Clinton nominees have been extremeley lenient on sex offenders and criminals in general. When will America stop trying to help criminals while we ignore victims and their damaged lives?} --DOK, here is the link: -> www.dailymail.co.uk treated better than children in care, says Samantha Morton The star - who grew up in a succession of children's homes - said she was disgusted by the apparently cushy conditions on a sex offenders wing she visited while filming her new role as killer Myra Hindley. Seeing the comfortable cells equipped with satellite TV and all mod cons made her blood run cold, she said. The prison which angered her was HMP Wymott in Preston, Lancashire, where she was filming scenes for the forthcoming Channel 4 drama Longford. It is home to hundreds of sex offenders. "I was really disgusted with one prison we were filming at," said Morton, 29. "We were allowed to film in a normal wing. Then I walked through some grounds, where you had this beautiful lawn, to another wing. "As I walked down I could see each room had portable tellys, Sky TV. They had these amazing kitchens. Other prisoners get treated abominably but this new wing was totally fantastic with all mod cons. "I said, 'Who are they?' and they said, 'Oh, they're the paedophiles'. I felt cold all over." Morton, star of TV series Band Of Gold and Hollywood blockbuster Minority Report, went on: "I grew up in care. I spent my whole life in care until I was 16. "The way they treat children in children's homes is appalling, yet these paedophiles have Sky telly. That shocked me. "I saw two sides to prison. It was something that shocked me beyond anything, considering how they treat our young people." Describing her early years, she said: "I was a young person who grew up in the care system. We had no carpets, no nice beds, nothing. We got £10 a year for Christmas presents. The budget was stretched. "To see how these offenders live - I'm just asking, where is the balance? They got Sky, nice rooms, amazing kitchens. That's what I saw. If the Government would treat young people well in care before putting them out in society, they would emerge better." HMP Wymott is a Category C prison which has 1,046 inmates, of which around half are classed as "vulnerable prisoners". According to the Home Office, the majority of these vulnerable prisoners are sex offenders. They have included the father of X Factor winner Shayne Ward, jailed for eight years for the rape of a pensioner, and US marine Toby Studabaker, sentenced to four-and-a-half years for abducting a 12-year- old British girl he met in an internet chat room. A Sunday newspaper printed photographs of Studabaker apparently playing computer games in his cell. Morton's Channel 4 drama explores the relationship between child murderer Hindley and penal reform campaigner Lord Longford. Morton said she wished the peer had been able to help her when she was a teenager in a children's home. "Growing up in care, I would have been able to say to Lord Longford, 'Come on, help me'," she said. Morton was placed in care in Nottingham aged 11 after her parents split up. She lived between various children's homes and sets of foster parents before leaving at 16 to pursue her dreams of an acting career. In 1995 she got her big break as a teen prostitute in Band Of Gold, and has gone on to earn two Oscar nominations. Morton has a six-year-old daughter, Esme, by former partner Charlie Creed-Miles. Longford will be broadcast on October 26 and revisits the infamous Moors Murders. It portrays Hindley as a manipulative character who takes advantage of the peer's kindly nature in the hope of securing her release. Jim Broadbent plays devout Catholic Longford while killer Ian Brady is played by Andy Serkis. The script is by Peter Morgan, writer of The Queen and The Deal, and has the blessing of Lord Longford's family. Relatives of some of the five victims have already seen the drama. Alan West, stepfather of Lesley Ann Downey, and John Kilbride's brothers Danny, Patrick and Terry, attended a special screening in Manchester. Executive producer Andy Harries said: "They obviously found it incredibly difficult to watch and very moving. They appreciated it being shown to them and they admired the film hugely. "We had to be careful to respect their position and their feelings. "It was hard for them to watch but it really confirmed their view that Longford was a very misguided man." |
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echo3 11-Oct-06, 14:05 |
It's Human Rights DOK.... Sickening isn't it? What of their victims? Don't bother with them, their families will have to cope as best they can. The "Right" is now on the side of the criminal, the minority group, the offender. Let's uphold their rights at all costs. This country is fast going to the dogs. |
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dok/echo however, we must be careful that we do not become those we despise! while i agree that what she describes is the worse sort of horrible prioritization, it IS important that we do not remove BASIC human rights from prisoners for several reasons (i do not consider computer use nor tv to be basic human rights!!). 1) the state is there to avoid vigilante justice. while an individual may want to (justifiably) torture and kill the molestor of his/her child, the state is there to make sure that the law of the land is upheld. 2) if we treat prisoners as sub-humans, we are no better than those we purport to despise. 3) sadly, the justice system is flawed in two ways. first, innocents are sometimes convicted. we need to keep this in mind when considering how prisoners should be treated. second, the brunt of the harshest penalties are meted out to (at least in the united states) non-white convicts. until these two flaws are corrected, it behooves us to keep in mind that any given prisoner may be innocent or be there because of systemic racism. finally, i must say that i agree with most of what you say. it sickens me to think of pedophiles being treated so well. but, that is why we have a system to mete justice that does not depend on vengence as a means of determining punishment. |
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kingofpawns 11-Oct-06, 14:29 |
Hold on... sentenced to prison. My sister used to work as a prison shrink in California and the stories she had to tell about the things other prisoners did to pedofiles. I remember this one story (which led her to leave the prison system) in which she walked by a pedofile playing chess with another prisoner. She walked a few more feet to her office and heard a commotion. The pedofile had his face shreded with five razor blades that were fixed to wooden devise (it has some prison term which she told me but I forgot) somewhat like a hand and then raked across the face to strip and cut the skin and flesh off the face. So, let me emphaizse one thing. You don't want to be a pedofile and sentenced to prison in the US. |
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DOK... So Samantha Norton, whoever the hell she is, is horrified that between prison blocks there is a well attended lawn.... yawn... And having Sky TV hardly equates with "...totally fantastic with all mod cons"... The whole thing is a beat-up.... As to the relevance of Samantha getting "...£10 a year for Christmas presents" when she was a child, .... I'll leave that up to you to explain DOK.... Now, getting back to reality, there is a very good reason why some prisoners are regarded as "at risk".... KOP has described the normal situation that pedophiles find themselves in while incarcerated and lets not forget that it is not only in the U.S. where "special" treatment is reserved for pedophiles...even in this country it is common knowledge that child molestors are going to get a rough ride while serving out their time..... |
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leo_london 11-Oct-06, 16:23 |
1) the state is there to avoid vigilante justice. while an individual may want to (justifiably) torture and kill the molestor of his/her child, the state is there to make sure that the law of the land is upheld. Thats perfectly true, but all the more reason that punishment should be seen to fit the crime. It has become fashionable to put the emphasis on rehabilitation, on understanding the causes of crime etc. They are laudable aims and should be part of the penal justice system..but not at the expense of showing the people that justice has been done. I often hear in debates such as this the phrase.." you are just seeking revenge "..yes, spot on, and whats wrong with that ? Surely thats one of the main purposes of the law, the state takes revenge on our behalf to stop society descending into anarchy. There has to be a balance, I would happily shoot anyone who robbed me in the street me or broke into my home..I cant expect the state to go quite so far on my behalf. However, anyone who commits a crime ( similar to those discussed ) that causes untold anguish to the victim and his/her family should expect to find most of their remaining years are spent joylessly with the minimum requirements for survival. Thats excluding the death penalty for the purposes of this discussion...might be worth trying that debate again in another thread ? |
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DOK.... mind as an appropriate punishment...?? For example if you were in a position to determine the punishment, what would you hand out to Mark Foley, a longtime sexual predator... and what about those who turned a blind eye to such abuse and effectively allowed other young men to be molested... How would you deal with them?? |
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leo or maybe we could give them a tv but make them watch fox news 24/7....the horror! |
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Leo.... I dont think revenge should come into it.... of course the familiy and friends of the victim might see a lengthy spell in prison for the perpetrator as some kind of payback, and they are fully entitled to take that position.... but for the State, and most of the rest of us, the punishment handed down by the courts is not "revenge"... it is first and foremost supposed to act as a deterrent while imprisonment also provides society with a means of removing a dangerous person from the street...until they can hopefully be rehabilitated. |
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leo_london 11-Oct-06, 17:16 |
qiwi..Sorry, I disagree. But, perhaps I'm in the minority. For instance, I dont really know you, but if I somehow heard that you had been beaten senseless by a group of thugs last night, I would want them first to be caught and then I would want them to suffer. By " suffer " I mean that their lives would become fairly miserable for a good few years. Is that wanting revenge, perhaps not..I would want to see justice done on your behalf if that sounds better. Deterrent ?..yes, the tougher the punishment the greater the deterrent..I do realise that is a over simplification, but there remains an element of truth in that statement. Rehabilitation ? yes again, but that can be part of tough justice. I have nothing against education and counselling in prisons, in fact that should be just about their only form of recreation..they would actually look foward to it as a privilege. |
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Leo.... coddling them..... I dispute that. As for imposing harsh conditions on top of this, it is worth remembering that not all those who are inside for serious crimes are cold-blooded killers... . We had a tragic case just this week where a large group of partygoers, mostly 17, 18 year olds, got into a bit of fisticuffs outside the house where the party was taking place.... Apparently one group decided to mete out some rough justice to someone who they were pissed with.... Things went from bad to a whole lot worse when some friends of the guy getting whacked decided in a moment of alcohol fueled madness to come to his rescue by driving their car into the group who were putting the boot into their friend... Not a good idea.... the result was two people died.... one a passerby who was also trying to help the guy who was getting dealt too.... The young guy who drove the car went straight home and told his mother who rang the police.... Now he is facing double-murder charges.....and a lengthy term in prison. |
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leo_london 11-Oct-06, 18:12 |
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have to answer? All these sickos were also molested themselves - keeps the sickness going. (only a small percent of those who were molested become what hurt them, but the relation to those who do molest to a history of being molested is staggaring). Here's a good solution. Solves all our problems . . . KILL THEM. Hurt a child - you die. Simple. Eventually by and large ending the cycle. |
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qiwi children leaves me only to cocnclude that youre either too sheltered to understand the issue or you dont care about the victims and are one of these guys that thinks you can rehabilitate all these people. The fact is that part of the justice system is to punish. Sounds to me like not enough punishing is going on, at great costs, while victims are dismissed...without reaparations, etc.. If this is "silly" to you, dont bother to post here. A lot of other people find the issue compelling and alarming that in the US, judges are apologizing/excusing/trying to be nice to the criminals with a great emphasis on blaming society ir someone else for their inability not to hurt, kill, rape and molest children. Im sorry this seems silly to you...my opnion of you however has dramatically changed, not that you care, but tougher prison laws and more prisons being built in the US has been statistically linked to a diminishment of crimes...even pedophilia... |
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soulcrates 11-Oct-06, 23:25 |
I feel that sex offenders shouldn't be studied. |
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jaymar 12-Oct-06, 00:23 |
Echo.. Would that be because we are too liberal or too authoritarian? |
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jaymar 12-Oct-06, 00:24 |
p.s. Well not live ones anyway. |
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Soulcrates above. That frightens me. Ive heard it suggested that we paint them indelibly purple. So we can tell our kids to stay away from purple people. How would you feel if we just had them do hard labor in some camp in Alaska with no hope of escape..as eunichs, of course.. until they do die. |
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soulcrates 12-Oct-06, 13:10 |
Dok, as long as they're castrated before their hard labor |
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DOK..... Correct me if I am wrong but I am assuming that the appropriate sentence for Mark Foley is castration and hard labour on the Alaskan pipeline.... Would that be a fair assessment of your stance??? |
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soulcrates 12-Oct-06, 15:31 |
Did Mark Foley molest any boys? |
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