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leo_london 05-Nov-06, 03:21 |
 Saddam Hussein is sentenced to death.The ousted president, visibly shaken, shouted out "Allahu Akbar!" (God is Greatest) and "Long live the nation!" Four guards took him away with his hands held behind him after the sentence was read. Saddam Hussein's half-brother, Barzan Ibrahim, has also been sentenced to death by hanging. So what's the view of our 1A members ?...My first thought is that this can only lead to more trouble, but I'm going to follow all the latest news bulletins and listen to the experts for a few days before making any judgement. |
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alexwilson 05-Nov-06, 03:57 |
I think the timing of this trial was to coincide with the mid-term USA elections. There was a lot of nonsense and screwing around, to drag this thing out, as if Rove had controlled it. Historically, it will be percieved as a show trial. It will not be a credit to the USA. If Bush is ever caught and hanged by a foreign country, people will talk about Saddam's death when discussing Bush's fate. I think you can argue that Bush is a war criminal also and is the wrong person to "bring Saddam to justice." I think Saddam could have been useful to the USA in that he could have united Iraq and brought peace to the region with his particular leadership style which the Iraqi people seem to be comfortable with. All of that philosophy stuff aside, I think that if you must have a death penalty, then Saddam probably deserved it more than some other people. He was a vicious callous individual, but so is Bush. |
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kementari 05-Nov-06, 04:57 |
Against... Violence of the spirit (solitary confinement) is far more cruel. Cheaper, too. |
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bobbynox 05-Nov-06, 05:52 |
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i'm not going to lose any sleep about saddam's impending death. nor his brother. people are sentenced to death for far less without outrage. |
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sirtgl 05-Nov-06, 09:09 |
But the trials are not over yet. Wasn't he supposed to be tried for many other things also? After all, this sentence came from crimes committed in 1982. I don't think we've seen the end of Saddam yet. |
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bobbynox 05-Nov-06, 09:19 |
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comparision population us = ~.3 billion 1.3/.3 = 4.33 345 times 4.33 = ~1500 slightly less than china on a per capita basis so...the question is: do we want to be comparable with china regarding human rights? in 2005, 94 per cent of all known executions took place in china, iran, saudi arabia and the usa. is this the company we want to keep bobby? |
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alexwilson 05-Nov-06, 11:41 |
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I'm against it too But like tugger says, I won't lose any sleep over it. Still, we shouldn't be killing people. |
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soulcrates 05-Nov-06, 12:50 |
Is this an Iraqi tribunal, |
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jeff writes... I say, why not? John Murtha compares the US military as butchers, worse than Nazi Germanys military and most left leaning democrats think President Bust is worse the Hitler. So being compared to those countries is a great improvment, don't you think. |
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crackers where do you get this stuff? not one person i know thinks this. |
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leading a nation wracked by hyperinflation and overt poverty. Many of Bushes tactics mirror those of the early fascists. Bush like Hitler is driven by strong ideology. Bush like Hitler disregards many ethics that would have been consiered core western ethics not too long ago. Given a little more time, poverty and jongoism, the Bush/ Cheney/Rove axis could move to rivalling Hitler. You guys best get out and vote methinks..... |
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leo_london 06-Nov-06, 15:05 |
However, I doubt that history will record his trial as " fair and just " or that he was really judged by the Iraqi people...which was the original intention. He has been judged by his enemies, the trial was a farce with three defence lawyers murdered. Hardline Judge Mohammed al-Ureybiwas brought in to replace Judge Abdullah al-Amiri, whom the Iraqi Prime Minister, Nouri al-Maliki, sacked...fearing he was showing Saddam too much sympathy. This was the second judge to be " replaced " ...first to be removed was Judge Rizgar Mohammed Amin, in January. An ethnic Kurd who lives in Suleimaniyeh, Amin was the original face of the first Saddam trial - the only one of the judges who was identified by name. Selected for his independence, he had been neither a member of the Baath party nor the Kurdish Peshmerga militia. The graduate of Baghdad University had seemed, at first, a perfect candidate. Almost immediately, however, Amin ran into problems that would become the hallmark of the trials of Saddam: public and political pressure on the judges' bench. Amin's hesitant, and sometimes courteous, manner towards Saddam led to outcry from Shia political figures. Citing unbearable interference, he tendered his resignation. |
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fair and just?? The comment by the Iraqi P.M. Maliki that he expects Saddam to be executed before the end of the year is yet another example of how shonkey the whole process has been..... why?? Because the verdict is currently before the "appeals court".... In any other democratic society this would ammount to political interference.... and could even be grounds for declaring a mis-trial.... |
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soulcrates 08-Nov-06, 15:13 |
Whose laws are they basing his execution on? |
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Whose laws?? Here in NZ we had a system up until very recently where if all else failed the defendant had the right to take his or her appeal to the Privy Council in Great Britain.... Being totally independant and outside the reach of any possible political interference this at least gave the appeals process the appearance of fairness.... The question in Saddam's case is, who are the judges who make up this "appeals court" and who appointed them.... And even more to the point, as Soulcrates points out, does anyone even know what system of law the Iraqi Courts are operating under.... |
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whose laws From Wikipedia The Supreme Iraqi Criminal Tribunal (formerly known as the Iraqi Special Tribunal) is a body established under Iraqi national law to try Iraqi nationals or residents accused of genocide, crimes against humanity, war crimes or other serious crimes committed between 1968 and 2003. It is organising the trial of Saddam Hussein and other members of his Baath Party regime. The Tribunal was set up by a specific Statute issued under the Coalition Provisional Authority and now reaffirmed under the jurisdiction of the Iraqi Interim Government. The Transitional Administrative Law [TAL] promulgated by the Iraq Governing Council before the restoration of Iraqi sovereignty preserves and continues the Iraq Special Tribunal Statute in force and effect. The Tribunal is responsible for the trial of Saddam Hussein, Ali Hassan al-Majid (also known as "Chemical Ali"), former Vice President Taha Yassin Ramadan, former deputy Prime Minister Tariq Aziz and other former senior officials in the deposed Ba'athist regime. The Tribunal has declared it will adhere to standards of international law in compliance with the sovereign law of Iraq. |
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