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zorroloco 06-Dec-06, 05:54	bush appointees hahahahahaaaaa.... seattlepi.nwsource.com" target="_blank">-> seattlepi.nwsource.com if you do not know david horsey's work, you should!
proginoskes 06-Dec-06, 06:34	the best way to not get pregnant and therefore plan a family is not have sex   simple, why take unecessary hormones (is josh trolling? yes, yes, he is . . .)
zorroloco 06-Dec-06, 06:56	jd the most effective way to not have children is to not have sex...that does not make it the best way...best is subjective. teenagers will have sex...that is a fact...not all of them, true...but some will...this we know. therefore, it behooves us to help them to not have children as kids having kids is a detriment to all of society.
proginoskes 06-Dec-06, 07:12	jeff sure, but there was much less sex in the days when having sex basically meant gettin pregnant and all the responsibilities that go along with that - nothing is a much of a buzz-kill as a pregnancy. responsibility is a b*&ch.
zorroloco 06-Dec-06, 07:14	jd ok. what is your point. we live today...not <in the days when having sex basically meant gettin pregnant and all the responsibilities that go along with that.> today we have birth control...it is not going away...kids should be taught the truth so they can make the best possible educated decisions.
proginoskes 06-Dec-06, 07:29	jeff my point was life was better before when responsibility was real and palpable. birth control in the hands of children who have no sense of responsibilty is a recipe for personal disaster. our oversexed western culture is merely a symptom of responsible free sex. if kids are taught tey can have sex without getting pregant - I wonder what type of "educated" choice will be made . . . HA! It's broke and can't be fixed - I'd rather have kids taking contraception than then overwhelming number of little bastrads and welfare families that would be running around. It's a deal with the devil now and not for the betterment of mankind.
leo_london 06-Dec-06, 07:30	This has got me confused. I thought there was a pretty relaxed attitude towards birth control among the established Christian religions these days ? Thousands of young ( and not so young ) Irish girls used to come over to England for abortions during my lifetime, that has all ended now that the Catholic church over there has relaxed its attitude towards birth control.
proginoskes 06-Dec-06, 07:37	leo attitudes towards birth control are relaxed, but I'm not convinced our culture is better for it.
leo_london 06-Dec-06, 07:44	jdh..Oh I see, its just this one appointee..Dr keroack ? Thanks, I understand the thread a little better now.
proginoskes 06-Dec-06, 08:09	leo yeah, notice my first post and the comment about trolling

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