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 Shooting at Ft. Hood
The shooting began around 1:30 p.m. Cone says that all the casualties took place at the base's Soldier Readiness Center where soldiers who are about to be deployed or who are returning undergo medical screening.
He says the primary shooter used two handguns in the attack.
Horrible news. I hate this for the families of these people.
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Very sad, I feel very sorry for all the families that have lost a loved one.
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stinky
Any more on this?
Is it known why US soldiers started shooting in the first place, were they being deployed or were they coming 'home'. What happened to these soldiers to cause this?
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it turns out the main shooter was an army psychiatrist, about to be deployed to Iraq. He had been complaining about harassment from military colleagues for a while, but getting deployed must have pushed him over the edge.
If I may make a light comment, he must have been a lousy psychiatrist if he can't handle his own problems.
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As far as I am aware there is a higher rate of suicides amongst psychiatrists than many other 'medical' professions (apart from dentists it seems). Perhaps he had just simply had enough and couldn't pull the trigger on himself! Tragic circumstances for all I would think.
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: ((
sad stuff
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No, he is still alive and in a stable condition. This could be interesting.
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Is Nobody
going to mention he is Muslim? Are we that politically correct here? I realize most of the press won't touch it, but I think it worth, at least, mentioning.
If he were a Christian do you think you would have heard that, or not?
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softy
I didn't know he was a Muslim. Regardless it is a sad affair anyway.
Are you speculating that he did this because he is a Muslim on some sort of crusade against the US military?
All kinds of individuals go off the rails from many different religious backgrounds, even atheists I would imagine. How come every time a 'Muslim' or a 'christian fundamentalist' goes haywire in the US it is blamed on an entire religion? This is how the massive animosity starts towards others of different persuasions.
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This seems a good and balance recent synopsis. Folks here arent keeping ethnic/religious
background a secret ;-/
Easy to speculate how conflicted he might be....
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Change
I have NO idea what his motivation was. He could be a loon that went off the rails. He could be mad because he was in the Army and didn't want to be there any more. His cousin said that he has not wanted to be deployed for over a year now and had even gotten lawyers involved (that doesn't usually work from inside the military). It could be that he is a Fundamentalist Muslim that believes all infidels should convert or die.
My interest was that NOBODY mentioned the fact that he is a Muslim. Maybe you didn't know because of the political correctness of the press.
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softy
My point is that it makes no difference what religious beliefs he holds, he's a nut!
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... the guy is on record for saying that he didn't think Muslims should be killing Muslims, and that he didn't want to go to either Iraq or Afganistan ... but he was prob'ly conflicted about more than "just" this.
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I haven't seen anything on this incident yet (not watching news today), so, keep the information coming.
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"...Lt. Gen Bob Cone said at a news conference that one shooter has been killed and two suspects were apprehended on Thursday. He says they are all U.S. soldiers..."
Was this a 'lone' incident as suggested by posters here, or was it three shooters as stated by Lt. Gen. Bob Cone?
A simple question or two I do not know the answer to, I think softy or some of the other past/present military in the US can answer:
Do all military personnel swear to defend the US against ALL. If so how can a 'Muslim' refuse to fight without being cashiered?
As the US is primarily a 'Christian' nation, why is the military accepting personnel of Muslim faith seeing as 'they' appear to be the primary objective of the current Military/Political regime?
Can the military refuse to accept people of other than the primary belief system in the US? After all is said and done "In God We Trust" is enshrined in the US, and I don't believe for one minute this means any god except THE christian one.
Simple questions I hope.
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oops bad me..i forgot the link
Like i said ....no cover upof ethnicity/religion here:
www.abc.net.au
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mark
Thank you for the post. :)
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Change
He is indeed a nut, no matter what his motivation was.
I know no more than you and what I have heard. Considering we hear from more or less the same sources, that means we know nothing for sure. There was a similar incident in Afghanistan a year or so ago where a Muslim trooper (who had gotten deployed over there) went berserk and killed several of his comrades. He also didn't want to see Muslim fighting Muslim.
The U.S. military is not particularly understanding about troopers who decide they do not want to be deployed into a combat area. They might want to reconsider that policy and offer something like 6 months in prison and a dishonorable discharge rather than forcing the person into that situation.
Your questions are good ones: "Was this a 'lone' incident as suggested by posters here, or was it three shooters as stated by Lt. Gen. Bob Cone?" I heard that two other people had been detained, questioned, and released.
"Do all military personnel swear to defend the US against ALL. If so how can a 'Muslim' refuse to fight without being cashiered?" Public officials and military swear to defend the Constitution against ALL enemies foreign AND domestic.
"As the US is primarily a 'Christian' nation, why is the military accepting personnel of Muslim faith seeing as 'they' appear to be the primary objective of the current Military/Political regime? " First of all, it would be discriminatory not to accept them. Secondly, like as has been said, most Muslims are good people and if they decide to join the armed forces, we should and do welcome them and their service. It is only the NUTS that are problems and NUTS come from any and no faiths.
"Can the military refuse to accept people of other than the primary belief system in the US? " No, I don't think so and I don't think we should.
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npr
mentioned his religion in the first reports. they also said that he had been disciplined for proselytizing to his patients 5 years ago. apparently he stopped and was doing a good job since he was recently promoted to major.
his religion may well be a factor in this incident. religious people are used to listening to a 'higher authority.' but it may not be as well. i am not surprised that no one made a huge issue of it. why should they? think back. without looking it up, tell me what religion the virginia tech shooter was. how about these...
- A gunman walked into an immigration services center in downtown Binghamton, N.Y. on Friday, killing an unknown number of people, wounding at least six, and taking as many as 41 hostage.
— March 29, 2009: Robert Stewart, 45, shot and killed eight people at Pinelake Health and Rehab in Carthage, N.C. before a police officer shot him and ended the rampage.
— March 29, 2009: Devan Kalathat, 42, shot and killed his two children and three other relatives, then killed himself in an upscale neighborhood of Santa Clara, Calif. Kalathat's wife was critically injured.
— March 10, 2009: Michael McLendon, 28, killed 10 people — including his mother, four other relatives, and the wife and child of a local sheriff's deputy — across two rural Alabama counties. He then killed himself.
— Feb. 14, 2008: Former student Steven Kazmierczak, 27, opened fire in a lecture hall at Northern Illinois University in DeKalb, fatally shooting five students and wounding 18 others before committing suicide.
— Dec. 5, 2007: Robert A. Hawkins, 19, opened fire with a rifle at a Von Maur store in an Omaha, Neb., mall, killing eight people before taking his own life. Five more people were wounded, two critically.
— April 16, 2007: Seung-Hui Cho, 23, fatally shot 32 people in a dorm and a classroom at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, then killed himself in the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
— Oct. 2, 2006: Charles Carl Roberts IV, 32, shot to death five girls at West Nickel Mines Amish School in Pennsylvania, then killed himself.
— March 21, 2005: Student Jeffrey Weise, 16, killed nine people, including his grandfather and his grandfather's companion at home. Also included were five fellow students, a teacher and a security guard at Red Lake High School in Red Lake, Minn. He then killed himself. Seven students were wounded.
was religion an issue or mentioned much in any of these?
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Jeff
I agree but there are people who just kill people and then there are people who commit hate crimes. I guess the courts can judge this.
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Jeff
I wonder how many screamed 'Allahu Akbar' before they started.
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My Gut feeling...
after looking at this video is that this was a terrorist attack.
I think he decided to do this as an act of terrorism.
www.cnn.com
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My gut feeling is that he was tipped over the edge by some fundamentalist red-neck accusing
him of being a "fundamentalist Muslim [who] believes all infidels should either convert or die".
Of course that is hardly an excuse but maybe over a period of time it finally got to him and he
flipped......
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qiwi,
I kind of doubt it. There are plenty of muslims who are insulted all the time by
rednecks and they don't do this. I do think he was likely psychotic and that
he developed a delusion that he would carry out a terrorist attack. As thumper
pointed out he apparently yelled "Allahu akbar" before he started.
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hmm
i didn't hear or see anything that would lead me to believe it was any more an act of terrorism any more than any mass shooting. why do you think that?
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Call for calm after US military base killings
By Sheila McNulty in Houston and Harvey Morris in New York
Published: November 6 2009 21:34 | Last updated: November 6 2009 21:34
Barack Obama cautioned a stunned public on Friday against drawing quick conclusions on a shooting rampage by an officer at a Texas military base that killed 13 people.
The president made the comments as the commander of Fort Hood, the US’s largest base for deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan, quoted witnesses as saying the suspected gunman, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, shouted the Muslim declaration “Allahu Akbar” – God is great – as he opened fire. Speaking at the White House, Mr Obama said: “We don’t know all the answers yet, and I would caution against jumping to conclusions until we have all the facts."
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OMG! Jumping to conclusions?! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!! This coming from the guy who butts into a situation and starts making statements that the police acted stupidly after admitting that he himself didn't know the facts?
Hmmm.
Knee jerk 'attack' a cop then knee jerk 'defend' a terrorist. Some Commander-in-Chief...
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it appears
that it may well have been a politically motivated act of terrorism.
WASHINGTON — Federal law enforcement officials say the suspected Fort Hood, Texas, shooter had come to their attention at least six months ago because of Internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.
The officials say the postings appeared to have been made by Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, who was killed during the shooting incident that left least 11 others dead and 31 wounded. The officials say they are still trying to confirm that he was the author. They say an official investigation was not opened.
The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the case.
One of the Web postings that authorities reviewed is a blog that equates suicide bombers with a soldier throwing himself on a grenade to save the lives of his comrades.
www.bostonherald.com
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thumper
you are funny. omg. the president called for calm and cautioned against jumping to conclusions. what a radical!
yeah. he should have said, "lets assume it was a radical muslim terrorist and start instigating violence against all muslims!"
why do you have a problem with cautioning that we should wait for the facts before making conclusions? oh... wait... right. who needs facts? lol!
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I must say that it is appearing to look far more sinister than at first thought.
Does anyone actually have answers for my earlier questions, or are they ones to be avoided in the current political climate?
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Change
Excuse me? What am I... chopped liver? My feelings are hurt now. I tried very hard to answer your questions. I'm gonna go sulk! Waaa!
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