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rilke
22-Sep-06, 13:23

What is Art?
What is Art?
What is the purpose of art?
In its historical context the world of art lies outside the realm of artistics concerns;and then interacts the political,social,economic,scientific,technological and intellectual of their time.
Is Art a form on entertaining or it has a function to society? Or perhaps is it an expression of mankind, or an inner expression of the mind and soul.
jabart
23-Sep-06, 18:41

What is Art ...
I will play with this one ...

Art is alternate communication ...

I feel that, if 'art' falls short of this then it is just craft and serves another purpose, perhaps form of entertainment and this is the area that must appease the 'political, social, economic, scientific, technological and intellectual' aspects of their time was like a filter

Art ... be aural or visual ... should conceptualize something from us or impacting on us and once it is created it's impact flows on to others ... and I would agree that it is an expression of mankind and an inner expression of the mind and soul.
rilke
23-Sep-06, 20:35

alternate communication
If art fails to communicate its purpose than it becomes a vulgar art....James Joyce said that once.
jabart
24-Sep-06, 16:08

'vulgar' meaning common or or the later meaning of crude...
Do you know where the quote is from?

...which leads onto another tilt on the subject ... If a writer is quoted, e.g. Joyce and "The artist, like the God of the creation, remains within or behind or beyond or above his handiwork, invisible, refined out of existence, indifferent, paring his fingernails." Quoted out of context of the work it occurred in is there a danger that the opinion is accredited to the writer rather than the character he is portraying?
rilke
24-Sep-06, 16:38

James Joyce
Hello Julie: Honestly the word Joyce used was "pornographic".
It was from class when our Teacher mentioned it. What Joyce meant was that if you are watching a good painting (good art) your senses should stop wondering around. If there is stillnnes between you and the painting, then it is a good art. If not, he called it a "pornographic art". I imagine it was a lecture or one of his books in trying to explain the difference good and bad art.
The only Joyce's character who question everthing about art,philosophy,life in general was Stephan Dedalus>>>>Perhaps he said it!
jabart
24-Sep-06, 19:00

... the Zen of Art ... lol
I intend to get a copy of 'A Portrait Of The Artist As A Young Man' today as I admit that I have neglected Joyce. One point I wanted to bring up is that English is a living language constantly developing and there was a time when 'vulgar' had no 'sexual' connotations and as Joyce wrote 'A Portrait...' in 1916, is the interpretation we give to it today appropriate.

Which can bring us to another slant on this. The interpretation of art be it written, visual or aural, through the culture of a different age or a different culture.

Stilling the senses in a visual painting is more technique using composition down to the flow of the brush strokes... but stilling the mind ... that is something I haven't considered before ...   ... the ideas run with that one to the concept of 'satori' ...

Then is good Art an infusion of so much knowledge and awareness that the focus contracts to stillness ...
rilke
24-Sep-06, 19:40

The senses
I agree in your opinion of good art as an infusion of knowledge and awareness.
If the senses does not give me the right information of this art, then I have not capture the essence of this object of art, or it becomes a bad object of art.
If the mind is still, then the senses are shut off, and I see the this great art with the eye of the mind......or the stillness arrives. As you mentioned "The Zen of Art".
rilke
28-Sep-06, 00:07

Great Dialogues of Plato
"and the poets are nothing but the gods interpreters,possessed each by whatever god it may be just">

Socrates

From ION
of The Great Dialogues of Plato.
rilke
02-Oct-06, 09:02

Oscar Wilde
The artist is the creator of beautiful things.
To reveal art and conceal the artist is art's aim.
Thought and language are to the artist instruments of an art.

Oscar Wilde.
bjorn-viking
03-Oct-06, 04:05

Art is........
(exuse my english)I think that art is something we like to do...live ouer lifes so good as its possible?When we are going away from this life,we whant that people love us,then if,we have done a art of ouer oun life!?
rilke
08-Oct-06, 09:11

Art's sake
Art for art's sake.
rilke
15-Nov-06, 07:40

Duchamp and his revolutionary vision of art
The french artist Marcel Duchamp on his work as a replica of a urinal porcelain purchased in 1917 called "fountain" signed the object with a pseudonym R Mutt, and entered the art exhibition.The bizarre concept of taking a commonplace object out of his customary settings and palcing into a new unfamiliar place.
Duchamp defined concept of the ready-made or found object. He challenged the tradition of preconceptions of what art is. He stated that it was not important whether or not "Mr Mutt" had made the work with hiw own hands ; what mattered was that he had chosen it. Therfore the creation ws not important but the idea of the selection was. This revolutionary movement was named "Dadaism" or the DADA art.
ribbleton
29-Jan-07, 04:47

What is art?
The manifestation of essence?
rilke
11-Feb-07, 15:32

funtion of Art
What is the function of Art. Is it just create beautiful things. Or is it just a manisfestation of the inner self to be convey a message to the world.
Early 20century the Russian revolution took art in another direction. Art should serve the masses, the elite of wealthy individual were the only ones who the access to musuems, go to the opera, read literature and poetry. Art serve Man!
rilke
17-Sep-07, 06:21

Art
Art is beauty! The expression manifested in creating beautiful things.
ribbleton
10-Oct-07, 02:45

Art? what are the common essentials
(1)Is art representation? (2) Is art an expression of emotion? (3)Is art just what society's institution says it is?
I guess the man in the street secretly accepts the third definition without asking these institutions where the values on which judgments of artistic merit originate.
The third definition begs the question.
To me the answer seems obvious if a work achieves unique insight into 'higher truths' or provides an elevated form of self realization the work must be a work of art.
el_stevio
02-Jan-08, 17:17

Joyce
I've read 'Portrait of an Artist' (good book!) and Joyce also makes the point that 'true art' should become detached from the artist in stages, to go from 'personal art' to 'universal art'. I disagree with him about this, not just because Portrait is never anything less than personal but because, essentially, art in terms of anything is meaningless. To define it in terms of its truth or communication is to place boundaries on something that I feel, is at its most potent when overcoming definition.

Art at its very best (IMO) is the only way to express the part of us that we cannot define in words, images or sound. Yet it finds that words, images and sound are the only way it can express that inexpressible part of us. With this contradiction inherent, art can only ever be our closest approximation to the part of us we do not know but seek to communicate with. And it should knowingly acknowledge itself as an approximation of truth or communication likewise. In short, I feel that art is a journey with no end  




rilke
03-Jan-08, 10:26

Joyce and pornographic art
Also Joyce mentioned that a good art should not move the senses. it should be a merge between the painting or any other art and the viewer. Kind of a meditation >>>a stillness...if this art moves your senses, then this art is pornographic.

"Portrait of an Artist' is a very good book....
el_stevio
04-Jan-08, 07:45

Yes I like that, it's kind of like being sucked into another world, that of the painting you are viewing.

I should also probably amend my own mistake and say that the book is called 'portrait of the artist'. For some reason I always call it 'of an artist'.



rilke
04-Jan-08, 09:24

Ulysses
This is an excellent book. I got a post about Joyce's greatest novel!
rilke
28-Oct-10, 08:34

Work of Art
The concept of the work of Art and the concept of an Artist emerges in the 15th and 16 century in Italy.
shamash
29-Oct-10, 12:20

Creating Art
Think about the difference between reading about sex, and having sex.

Think about the joyful, sensual, spiritual, interactive, meaningful, consequential, physical, moral, expressive, communicative, enduring, and playful differences.

Creating Art is like having sex with Life.
obsteve
30-Oct-10, 18:35

thinking about sex, for a moment...
I just thought -

"ART is to LIFE what PORNOGRAPHY is to SEX"

what do you think?

So creating art is like making porn, and viewing art is like watching other people have sex. That kind of thing. Any takers?
rilke
04-Nov-10, 09:50

yes
Not a bad analogy...



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