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chessplayer-58 27-Sep-06, 05:30	To all of you! Hi all,people who likes "arts"My real first names are Bjorn-Viking,and I speak finnish,swedish,and as you all can see allmost perfekt oxford english(joke big laugh or kry)I understand that this is no language school,but you can korect,my english when you whant to ,and as a lowraitid "Knott adikt" I am happy to be in your team,ladys and gentlemen...Thanks to you all for welcom me whid satch a big hearts you seems to have! yours bjornboy: P.S. a happy new club member!!
rilke 27-Sep-06, 05:39	Glad to have you On behalf of our club we welcome you and we are glad to have you aboard!! Rilke.
daddysgirl 27-Sep-06, 06:11	Welcome Bjorg. That's a pretty impressive laguage span you have, I can just about manage English..lol
migchess20 27-Sep-06, 12:13	Welcome Bjorg Welcome to Club. Here we learn phylosophy, art and Poetry and English too. I only speak spanish and read English. So long. migchess20
eyero5 18-Apr-13, 07:34	The workings of the mind. In the 1940's I read a book by Mira Lopez titled "The 4 giants of the soul" where reason is but a midget. They are : Love, Hate , Anger and Fear. I was impressed by the notion that emotions may control reason.I would appreciate comments from members of the club.
chaz- 18-Apr-13, 07:48	eyero ... ... as much as I might agree that emotions influence reason (perhaps more than any other single thing), let us not diminish the influence of the physical and intellectual side of humanity. Physical and intellectual prowess often determines direction as much as emotions determine reaction. Personally, I cannot say that any one of these three controls reason exclusively ... perhaps more like a 50-25-25 impact.
the-sigularity 18-Apr-13, 13:56	eyero The mind is not (in my own opinion) a simple subject to correlate into a few categories. The mind is very complex, and this is the reason for so many different views. There are other factors that may influence a persons reasoning. I can only name a few here, but I am sure there are may other facts that can be identified as variational conditions that affect mental decision. Greed, superiority or inferiority complexes, paranoia, mental instability, habitual influences, helplessness, self gratification, ineptness, fanatical tendencies, Moral excellence, virtue, generosity, sympathy, kindness, sportsmanship, apathy, cheerfulness, humor, meanness, and as I stated before so many other influences that can induce the mind to reason as it does, to various states. I am aware that some of the conditions I mentioned may be categorized as emotional, but if we consider each one carefully, I believe we can agree that most, (if not all) can be attributed to callousness, inheritance, or habitual repetition that the mind accepts as normal reasoning without emotion.
chaz- 18-Apr-13, 14:24	stealth ... ... of course you're correct to point out all of those variables ... most of which could be, for the sake of convenience, be categorized into emotional or physical or intellectual. And, indeed the mind is profoundly complex ... perhaps too complex to simplify as we often do. In an attempt to avoid undue complexity, I thought the e/p/i trilogy, however, makes for a good way to discuss the subject.
eyero5 18-Apr-13, 18:17	Stealth- invader Of course what you say is true, but I thought I would share with all of you one of my first impressions after which (years later)I did my residency in Psychiatry and practiced for 25 years, now I have been retired for 13 years.
the-sigularity 19-Apr-13, 13:05	You can discuss this subject in a spirit of intellectual interest, however, I find that oftentimes, when two or more persons become engaged in subjects that are controversial, or ambiguous, without solid cognition, it may become emotionally distressful due to the fact that an amicable discussion of this nature may evolve into an elevated emotional competitive conclusion, thus causing unintentional and irrational consequence. Therefore I would choose to refrain from indulging. I would however, participate as a spectator and follow the discussion with interest if other club members would want to express different views here. One point that I would want to impress here, is that without reading the book by Mira Lopez, it is impossible for me to interpret the entire philosophical message. What I do interpret from the statement given, is that the four giants of the soul are greater than reason. Where if one of these giants is present, then reason is diminished. For example if a person is in love, in a state of hateful anger, or fear then that person may exhibit actions beyond reasonable comprehension.
obsteve 19-Apr-13, 19:26	I'll drink to unintentional and irrational consequences xxx
the-sigularity 19-Apr-13, 20:12	Alright, I will drink toast to that consequence, where ever it may be found.
kewois 19-Apr-13, 20:32	The working of my mind... "I was impressed by the notion that emotions may control reason." - expressed by eyero5- I'm not trying to be philosophical nor argumentative, but I think it's just fit that the discussion would revolve just purely around this context. I'm not so sure if the above statement is really the meat and substance of the book written by Mira y Lopez, the famous psychologist/psychiatrist of his time. The way the statement is presented seems to be a one-way affair, if not because of the word "may" (..emotions may control reason). It's important to realize that both emotion and reason are functions of the brain, only that one differs from the other due to absence/presence of "rationalization." Emotion lacks rationalization as they result from a complex series of electrochemical reactions triggered by sympathetic/parasympathetic (involuntary) reflexes of the autonomic nervous system. It might be true that when this phenomenon occurs, a logical mind won't have time to rationalize or even refuse to rationalize, depending on the gravity of the event. When this happens it doesn't mean that emotion has controlled reason. Rather, it has blocked rationalization. I hope my point is clear. (A loss of brake doesn't control the car) I have expressed my reservation on the statement if it's really what the author wanted to convey as I did some readings on Mira y Lopez, and this is what I found: His biographer, Dr. Luis Iruela says: " For Dr. Mira. the psychological emerges from the physiological and reaches its plenitude in the social, in the adaptation of men to the world that surrounds him, following a path of increasing complexity". "Dr. Mira believed that there is no psychological alteration without physiological alteration, and vice-versa. Both always happen simultaneously, and as a unit, even though in some cases one might be predominant over the other. On the other hand, the factors that influence a person are not only endogenous, but also exogenous, and for this reason the social environment must always be considered." In this particular context, my mind works this way: It is always possible that a logical mind may loss its rationalization due to emotions, but it is not the rule. Logical thinking is the highest faculty a human being has, and most of the time it is reason that prevails over emotion (in some cases after a lapse of time).
eyero5 21-Apr-13, 09:51	Spinoza The heart has reasons that the mind can not understand.
eyero5 21-Apr-13, 09:59	Rashomon An interesting Japanese film about the way different people judge the same event.In the film "Rashomon" seven people witness the same event , the rape of a newly wed woman in view of her husband tied to a near by tree . When these people were called to give testimony of what happened, each have a different version .
eyero5 21-Apr-13, 10:08	The Cave. Plato being an Idealist had a poor opinion about the accuracy of human perception of events and so presented to his followers the metaphor of the Cave in which he presents humans as tied to the back of a cave where they can only see the shadows of events happening on the outside.
kewois 21-Apr-13, 19:56	philosophy/literature vs. science The above citations may hold high esteem in philosophy and literature but has a minimal value if not at all to science. Nevertheless, each provides hint that individuals have different level of understanding/perception/intellegence from each other.
kewois 28-Apr-17, 08:05	Brian Greene "Science is a way of life. Science is a perspective. Science is the process that takes us from confusion to understanding in a manner that's precise, predictive and reliable - a transformation, for those lucky enough to experience it, that is empowering and emotional."

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