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rilke
11-Oct-06, 06:44

Nietzsche: Thus Spake Zarathustra
A Book For All And None.

It is Nietzsche's most popular book. There are three principal themes In "Thus Spake Zarathustra": the will to power, the consequent revelations of values, and the doctrine of eternal recurrence.
rilke
12-Oct-06, 12:57

Main Ideas
Life is the will to power, and he who truly live must overcome the beliefs and conventions of common men; he must become and overman ( or superman ).

"Zarathustra was 30 years old when he left his home and went into the mountains.Here he enjoyed his spirit and his solitude, and for ten years did not tire of it".

Zarathustra has spent 10 years on a mountain in meditation. His companions have been his eagle, a symbol of pride, and his serpent, a symbol of wisdom. Now he made a decision to join the world of men to teach some of his wisdom, that he has acquired during his period of meditation.

On the way down the mountain, he meets a saint, who tells him the way to help man is to stay away from them and to save them through prayer. Nietzsche announces one of his important ideas, that the individual cannot expect no supernatural help because God is dead.
rilke
15-Oct-06, 19:56

The God is dead
If God is dead, how did he died?

"Zarathustra speaks of the death of God and proclaims the overman. Faith in God is dead as a matter of cultural fact, and any meaning of life in the sense of a supernatural purpose is gone".
rilke
23-Oct-06, 12:05

The Overman
The Overman is virtuous when he free himself from the belief in God and from the hope of an afterlife; he is nauseated by the rabble, his joy comes from surpassing those who live by false hopes and beliefs.

Worship of any sort is a return to chilhood; if men must worship, let them worship donkeys if that suits them.
rilke
03-Nov-06, 11:01

He preaches
In favour of the Superman.

"Could you create a God?---Then be silent about all Gods! But you could surely create the Superman."
rilke
06-Nov-06, 13:25

A book
Thus Spake Zarathustra is a book for all and none.
rilke
08-Dec-06, 14:09

The Superman as The Transcendence of Man
Nietzsche criticized the modern man agaisnt the humanitarianism of a secularized Christianity,
which distorts the measure of man. He demands a" transcendence of man" which would annul the entirety of christianity humanitarianism; Man seem to Nietzsche to be transcended by the Superman.
rilke
03-Feb-07, 14:12

The Superman
He represents the higer stage of Humanity.
chessbeatswork
07-Feb-07, 07:57

On Nietzsche
I admire the work of Nietzsche and Sartre (whose work was directly influenced by Nietzsche's writings) because at the core it's an empowering philosophy. It preaches individuality, reliance on the self, and liberation from restrictive societal constraints. These are powerful ideals.

But at the same time, there's a danger to these philosophies if taken to their conclusions. If the self is all (Sartre said 'Hell is other people'), then we're a very short leap from nihilism. It is the very societal constraints that Sartre and Nietzsche oppose that keep us from devolving into anarchy (or, at the very least, despotism).

When all is said and done, I find Nietszche's philosophy to be worthwhile of study but worthwhile of practice only in small measure.
rilke
07-Feb-07, 11:35

The Individual
nietzsche always praised the individual over society, but on his ideas were misunderstod by organizations such as the Nazis and Dictators.
I agree is at the extreme his ideals, but then again he was an extreme individual and a Genius!
How many "Genius" has been misunderstod and not being admired in their own time.
As Nietzsche said once that he write for a few, not for the masses. Very few undertood his ideals.
rilke
28-May-07, 11:00

Study of Christianity
Has Christianity Morality freed Man?
One of Nietzsche's principles study of our civilization!
ribbleton
28-May-07, 11:14

Genealogy of morals
In this work Nietzche describes Christian morality as an ethics of slaves. The Israelites were once the slaves of the Egyptians and devloped the `turn the other cheek` morality to shame their masters. In this way it might have worked but not to Nietzche`s sense of good taste. To be proud not be proud was hardly a view Nietzche would approve and he thought an hypocrisy.
rilke
11-Jun-07, 09:51

Thus Spake Zarathustra
These doctrines had already been set out in the form of an ethical manifesto that imitates, in style the writings of the Bible. Nietzsche's was a great literary artist, and his works
look more like poetic prose than philosophy.

Bertrand Rusell.
rilke
14-Dec-08, 10:41

I teach you...
"I teach you the Overman. Man is something that shall be overcome. What have you done to overcome him?"

Thus Spoke Zarathustra.
rilke
22-Jun-09, 10:36

I am weary.....
" I am weary of my wisdom, like the bee that gathered too much honey. "
obsteve
22-Jun-09, 12:13

Love Neitzche, but it is a bit heavy to go at all at once! It's really good to dip in and out of though, even to open a page at random and read. Mind blowing stuff

I am nihilist at heart, absurdist if I had to put a label on it. I think it is a nice touch that Neitzche puts his amazing ideas in the mouth of a madman.

TBH the Apollo v Dionysus thread was inspired by Neitzche's "Birth of Tragedy":

"Suffering creature, born for a day, child of accident and toil, why are you forcing me to say what is the most unpleasant thing for you to hear?! The very best thing for you is totally unreachable: not to have been born, not to exist, to be nothing. The second best thing for you however is this: to die soon."

obsteve
17-Aug-09, 12:47

Different class of harry ramp altogether
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rilke
17-Aug-09, 13:13

well done
well done Obsteve.

On the film "Little Miss Sunshine" we meet a character who has not spoken for years or months; until he broke his silence>> He has a Nietzsche's poster.
rilke
22-Aug-10, 23:37

man
Society tames the wolf into a dog. And man is the most domesticated animal of all.
rilke
05-Apr-11, 08:28

Richard Strauss
One of the most popular of Strauss's tone poems. It opens with the trumpets (the main theme) leading to a powerful climax in full orchestra and organ.



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