| From | Message |
|---|
|
 Snails from Hell
I will not even try to analyze why somebody would play this way move after move after move. If I were to reply in like manner the game would go for a year. One time some guy wore me out with this so called technique and I admit it I resigned though I was a little ahead in material and not bad in position. I couldn't take it. I sent some comment expressing my irritation but in the end I realize that he got exactly what he wanted. I resigned and was upset and he wins and feels great. he even submitted the game for analysis. he was proud of it!
In the end all I, and others in the same boat, can do is is deal with it. Try to win the game and then block the scum bags I guess, but it is a strange method of play and if it is true that chess can reveal something of the nature of the person playing I simply have no interest in knowing what sort of strange personality is behind that type of playing. Totally aggravating.
|
tipsyjourneyman
28-Dec-12, 06:29
|
When life throws you snails, make escargot!
Sorry BC, as much as I hate to take a converse position to the sage who showed me the way of the Latvian (employing it in team games now, think I'll bust it out in 2nd round of a GK tourney next) but I have to disagree. Whilst I cannot say I've ever met an opponent who takes 4d23h for a 5day/move game I MUST say that a 5 day/move game is EXACTLY that, a game where players are entitled to take 5 days per move! Now, we are different beasts, I am ever downsizing my number of games in progress whereas you have, at current, 22 on the go, so I can understand your frustration and also our contrary opinions. However, you could use this frustration, and extra time, to your advantage. Spend time pouring over the most probably lines of your opponent and then formulate conditional moves. I often take this approach against opponents that should have resigned long ago (Note by that I mean that when I have opponents in such positions I often employ this approach, NOT that I often have opponents in such positions!), setting up elaborate mating webs after which I say, "Let them play with themselves if they so wish, I'm done."
However it must be noted that any opponent which gets in such a hopeless position probably lacks the foresight to realise just how dire their situation is. So, at no point, do I presume that my opponent is continuing their journey down the proverbial creek without a paddle merely to spite me. Likewise, BC, you should not presume your opponent is tarrying to spite you. They may just be so desperately disorganised that they require an impending time out to get their A into G. Certainly if an opponent submitting games for computer analysis does not appear consistent with someone that is employing a delaying tactic purely for victory. Rather it is consistent with a player who is attempting to improve their chess!
To surmise, bill, my good mate:
Message less, stress less, drink more and marry the conditional moves option!
Now, as that colon appears to have three dots to me, it appears I may have drunk enough and should be, ahem, CHECKing out. Good night and good luck BC!
Cheers,
Tipsy
|
tipsyjourneyman
28-Dec-12, 06:34
|
*edit*
"Spend time pouring over the most probably lines of your opponent and then formulate conditional moves."
Sorry folks it appears that if I drink sufficient quantity of alcohol I begin to type like google translator!
That sentence should read, "Spend time PORING over (you could pour over your opponent's moves but it might frag out the keyboard) the likely lines available to your opponent and then formulate appropriate conditional moves for such lines." Or words to that effect.
Tipsy (passed) out.
|
|
Appreciate making lemonaide out of my life's lemons
I have to say that overall the problem is not mine alone and a few other people share my woes on the net. Of course in a tight situation one can take all the time they need. My preferences are 5 days as a safety net. But it is no joke when I say recently I have had a a couple games where opening moves were over four days in the making. And one guy (actually two) waited until the last moment to move each time. Then I moved and he/she/it waited another 4 plus days to move. In one instance I had him in check and he basically had two moves make. Move his king or guard it with his rook, and again it took 4 days and about 20 hours to do that. I resigned. I think the game was at 50/50 really, but I was beaten down and I guess that is a way to do it. I read how Mikhail Tal psychologically tormented the easily tormented Bobby Fischer with strange antics (though the two ended up eventually as friends).
But in the end it is my choice to allow myself to be tormented and since I do not drink alcohol I cannot take the edge off that way. But I think I will let it go... the same I did the friggin' insane Latvian Gambit.
Thanks
Bill
|
rmannstaedt
28-Dec-12, 10:01
|
time and time again
I think TJ is right; make conditional moves and sit back and forget about that game for a while. In fact, for my style of playing, having an opponent actually use 4d23h per move would be a blessing! I often have a few too many games going (or too little leisure time for playing chess, relative to the number of games I have going - same thing), so having a game stretched out like that would really be nice.
But unfortunately I haven't met such slow snails - yet. The best I had was a player who usually - but not always - waited until he had about ½ day left before moving. But in his case I think it was a matter of having too many games going - at one time I counted 50+ games at once...
Personally though, I'd hate to be the player who made his moves with only 1 hour to spare. I mean, what if I'd be delayed in traffic? Or a friend or family came by for a chat? Or I got caught up in a good book or movie? Or ... ... I would be continually stressed out, frantic to remember to get back to that game in time! Really, not fun.
But really, rather than being irritated, just sit back and enjoy the fun. I mean, why be impatient? If you have an opponent playing like that, start up another game with another player as supplement - if he spends 5 days per move, that means he isn't taking up much of your time with the game, so you have some time to spare, yes?
|
|
Okie Dokie...
Rethinking this situation. Will refocus in the morning. Maybe will consider a more zen-like approach to the game after all of this. Thanks.
|
|
Some weeks later:
I think I have resolved my own personal issues with the snail matter. certainly some of the matter is my problem and I have been in a long period of trying to change the way I think abut a game, not only the way I play it. I may suffer from hurrying through moves or moving compulsively or playing at times when I should not be playing games. maybe I could me doing puzzles or tactics or doing some thing other than chess. I think I may even have an attitude that I paid for the membership and so I am almost forced into getting my money's worth from the site. Not really to an extreme but who knows.
I am in a time where I am trying, hard, to make a slight permanent improvement in my playing. Not just have a good streak, but something that continues from games to game and is not lost in the long run. I stopped splaying for a while to resolve some of this.
Now I think I was mistaken here and I will be slowing down some games myself in the futurein order to analyze more deeply from inside different emotional states.
|
tipsyjourneyman
05-Feb-13, 03:26
|
Bravo
I'm going to be circumscript (lol my dictionary is telling me it's not a word, me and my fondness for archaic words and phrases) and simply say excellent post and I wish you well in your endeavours.
Cheers
TJ
|
yon_cassius
11-Feb-13, 10:31
|
Circumscript
I think you might mean "circumpect", I haven't checked the definition in a dictionary so I may be wrong.
|
yon_cassius
11-Feb-13, 10:32
|
Computer Analysis
I generally submit all of my games for analysis whatever the result, it's got nothing to do with pride, I want to know where the computer thinks my mistakes are.
|
rmannstaedt
11-Feb-13, 10:38
|
Computer analysis
I agree - it's a good idea. I do that too. Just writing to warn you though: once you get to the endgame, the GK computer analysis is quite unreliable. If you follow its recommendations in the endgame, you are likely to get lost.
|
yon_cassius
11-Feb-13, 10:43
|
Computer Analysis
Thanks for the heads up. I have wondered if the computer analysis is "materialistic".
The endgame isn't as much of a problem for me as the beginning... and tactics!
|
tipsyjourneyman
12-Feb-13, 03:29
|
circumspect means cautious, wary. Circumscript means limited or confined. And whilst something could be limited to, say, the diameter of the universe or the number of possible opening positions after, say, 5 moves, in practice circumscript means limited to a small area or, in the case of my post, but a few lines. However the usage of circumscript is so circumscript these days darn spelling checkers think its a mistake and draw a red line underneath it! Of course they also draw red lines under things like juxtaglomerular, and butanol so what exactly do these spelling checkers really know anyway?
|
rmannstaedt
12-Feb-13, 03:53
|
juxtaglomerular
ok, you got me - I actually had to look that up! ...
*grin*
|
dronai
12-Feb-13, 07:47
|
"Sadly -for me at least- in China people play Chinese chess, called xiangqi 象棋 (I can play but am not interested in it too much and Chinese people are hard to learn from, the teaching method being "I teach you nothing and crush you over and over and win and gloat until you get your act together!".
That's funny !
|
yon_cassius
12-Feb-13, 10:25
|
Xiangqi
I've played that a bit, I've got almost no idea what I'm supposed to be doing.
It's easier than Janggi (Korean Chess) though!
|
dronai
12-Feb-13, 10:49
|
I copied that from the OP's profile.
|
