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antagonistknight 21-Jun-10, 06:41	A loss without errors... Is it possible to lose a game without errors? Yes, and this game shows how your choice of opening can greatly affect the outcome. After my own analysis and the gameknot "computer analysis" we both came to the conclusion that I made the best moves possible. So what went wrong? The only "error" was that I choosing an offbeat opening against an opponent that knew how to exploit it. game So it goes to show you that it is critical what opening you choose, because even if you don't make errors you can still lose the game.
easy19 21-Jun-10, 11:05	I would have made some other moves that i think are better then the ones chosen.. the moves are good but is the move good if you look at the long term position. a little flaw is enough to swing over the balance. ok first move 17 17. Rf2 i would have moved 17.Be2 with this most likely continuation with the best moves i can come up with. no advantage but the balance stay,s 17.Be2 g5 18.g3 Nd6 19.Bd3 Rac8 20.Qxa7 second move 19. Bc3 i can figure out why you moved it but wen i look at the board i see a undefended pawn on the b file so logical move would be 19.Be2 trick is not to change the position but to improve the position.. the balance stay,s and 20. Bb2 this invited the queen to move to a5 nasty move. so 20.Ba1 would keep that escape spot open for the knight and the Queen move renders useless.. black needs to find a other good move and that one would be harder to find.. then Qa5 i think those 3 moves in a row set the tone for the rest of the game.. positional speaking.
antagonistknight 21-Jun-10, 11:30	You said I should have moved 20. Ba1 but wouldn't Black respond 20. ... Ne4 with all of white's responses losing material.
easy19 21-Jun-10, 11:49	ah good you are mentioning that. i made a typo   I meant 20. Be1 e sounds like a wen i translate it and the best response on that by black would be exchange knights 20...Nxa4 21.Qxa4 after that it could go like this. 21...Bc5 22.c3 Ng7 23.Kh1 Bxf2 24.Bxf2
doji 21-Jun-10, 12:32	I think Freddy is right about move 17. Rf2. I see by playing that move your queen is on the same diagonal as the rook, just waiting to be attacked by his bishop moving to c5. Suppose you didn't play 17.Rf2, after 17... Bf8, your queen and king would have been on the same diagonal, but this can easily be countered by playing 18. Kh1. I assume you wanted to prevent Bc5 by playing 18. Na4, but this was not possible for his knight on d7 and queen have c5 in their power. More because the pawn on c2 becomes very weak. By playin Bc3 you prevend the weakness of that pawn, but I have got the feeling your position is weakening there. And eventually, Bc5 comes up anyway in the 24th move. It is just a comment on what I see, I realize my rating is somewhere in the 17th century, yours in the future - lol!! Jo
mikecurry 21-Jun-10, 13:03	I'm acutely aware that you all severely outrank me at this game. Moves in chess aren't a black and white "right or wrong", they are shades of grey. In much the same way as in life every choice we make is a shade of grey. Sometimes it is so grey it is definitely wrong. Sometimes the grey is so light that it is definitely right. Often, especially in the early middle of a game, there are so many choices that are so close to being the best as to be indistinguishable as better or worse. When you compare 10 of the good moves on the board at this stage, you will often find that you can eliminate a few of them as being worse than the others, then with the remaining few you find that they are all better than the others in some way, but worse in other ways. Your goal is to chose the one that fits you best and suits your opponent worst, as much from a psychological perspective of how you and they see the world and how they play the game comfortably as what is actually "better" meh - i digress.
ionadowman 21-Jun-10, 14:18	Let's look at the engine... I think that one might identify slight inaccuracies by changes in the GK engine's changes in numerical evaluation, with its identifying any actual improvement. But even that isn't very reliable. Changes may be due simply to the horizon effect - a weakness in all engines. Here's an example of the sort of thing I mean. The following is a game finished fairly recently between myself and yokenster b I had just taken the pawn at e5 and was about ready to settle for the draw: 38...Qxe5 39.Qxe5 Rxe5?? Apart from this being a very surprising misjudgement by my strong opponent, the machine also came up with a peculiar understatement: an 'inaccuracy'. After 39...dxe5, I figured on the game as probably drawn. After this, White wins. Having said that, though, it's no gimme, as you will see. 40.Rxe5 dxe5 41.Kf2 g5 42.Kf3 Kf7 43.Ke4 Kf6 (+2.16 - the plusses have been steadily increasing since move 40) 44.g3 (+1.17)! ... What the...? Why the sudden drop in assessment? No inaccuracy - let alone outright error - identified, either. The fact is 44.g3 is absolutely the only way to win - a tempo move. After 44.g4 White can kiss the win goodbye; and 44.Kd5 leads to a winning game for Black. The game concluded: 44...c6 45.h4 g4 46.h5 Kg5 The engine misliked this move, but the best it could find was still more than +5.00 to White. 47.Kxe5 Kxh5 48.Kd6 b5 49.c5 1-0 The full game can be seen here: game It has its points of interest, but not quite good enough to submit to GOTM. Cheers, Ion
antagonistknight 22-Jun-10, 05:40	Well I guess it comes down to that we all see it a little differently like mikecurry said. I have a mind for tactics, which is pretty much all I see when I look at the board. Whereas easy19 is very positionally minded, allowing him to easily see the best move for the position where i see the tactical possibility.
easy19 22-Jun-10, 10:37	It would be good if you turn that around   Wen Tactical moves decide what your position should be you always end up with little positional disadvantages. Wen the position decides what tactic you should play you end up with little tactical flaws. Wen you find the balance between those 2 you should be the better player of us 2
antagonistknight 23-Jun-10, 05:11	and therein lies the challenge that very few have truly been able to achieve.
untateve 23-Jun-10, 07:41	I have scheduled myself to achieve that challenge on a week from tuesday.

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