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untateve
15-Sep-10, 14:53

I didn't want you to think that I'd forgotten about this--I've just very busy with work and my children's activities. I plan to sit down with my board on thursday evening and spend some time with this game.
charlie06
16-Sep-10, 02:47

Hi sorry about not commenting, I have a busy job and 2 small children at home to keep me busy.
I loved the game as I have been playing this opening as black myself and don't like having 4 QC2
played. I liked how every move of Alekhine fits into his master plan.
untateve
16-Sep-10, 15:10

Initial Thoughts
I looked at this game prior to reading any comments. What became readily apparent to me was the center created by White (and permitted by Black) was rather scary. I didn’t see it right away—that is, at 4…b6, but by move 7, I was already feeling uncomfortable for Black.

It took me a couple of seconds to understand why 8.Ne2 vs 8. Nf6 but fortunately, only a couple of seconds.

After move 11, I tried to figure out what my plan would be if I was Black and the only thing that came to mind was to try and find a way to break up White’s hold on the middle of the board.

I’m wondering if it would have made sense for Black to move 11…Ng4 rather than 11…Qe7

And here’s a question that may seem a bit silly, but after White’s 16th move, was there anything Black could have done that might have saved his position?
a_random_guy
18-Sep-10, 07:18

Alekhine's game analysis
The game starts off with a Ninzo-Indian classical line, which (I think) was the main line back then.

4. ... b6? was good in the first sight for black since it allows him to activate his bishop which was blocked by the d7-e6 pawns, but the bishop on b7 won't have much scope because of white strong center later on.

At move 6, we can see that Alekhine have a strong grip in the center and on the light squares as well.

6. ... Bxc3+ wasn't a very good move, since it allows white to send one more pawn to the center (the b pawn).

Position after 7.bxc3


Every one of white's central pawns are now protected.

After 10. f4, White has 4 protected pawns on the fourth row, like soldiers backed up by officers. White has
a great spatial advantage.

White now positions his pieces in order to push his massive center pawns into black's passive but solid fortress.

18. ... dxe5 walks into a self pin, but there wasn't much else to do.

19. c4! takes advantage of white's previously doubled pawn. The d pawn is now passed AND protected!


Psition after 21. fxe5

We can see that the white's central pawns are still strong. Black's position is even more cramped as well.
The big difference from the previous position is that both bishop and the queen have direct access to the black monarch.

On 22. ... Qh4??, black tries to be aggressive, but he is met by 23. Rxf7+!! which removes protection from the g6 pawn.

24. Bxg7+! forces the king to expose himself. Not taking the bishop results in mate in 2: 25. exf7+ Kf8 26. Rxe8# or fxe8=Q# or fxe8=R#.

25. Qd3+ forces black to go closer to white's pieces.


Black's monarch is totally exposed.

The game would follow like this (I am not a grandmaster, so I might miss a quicker win)
25. ... Kg5 26. Bc1+ Kf6 27. Qf5+ Kg7 28. Qxf7+ (this move is possible thanks to the central e6 pawn)
Kh8 29. Qxe8+ Kh7 30. Qxd7+ (a rare sight; white has captured three black pieces in a row while checking the king every times!) Kg8 (black cannot go to the sixth rank, since white would play Qf7#)
31. Qf7+ (forcing the black king in the corner) Kh8 32. Bb2+ Nf6 33. Bxf6+ Qxf6 34. Qxf6+ any K move
35. Nh5 or Nf5 with mate next turn.

Overall, White got a spatial advantage in the beginning, and switched it for a lethal attack on the ennemy monarch.
brigadecommander
18-Sep-10, 10:33

untateve's question
11.....Ng5 is met by 12.h3. If then 12....Qh4 (if thats what your thinking of) then 13.Rf3 and
whites position is even stronger as he will double Rooks on the F -file.Your other question; after
move 16 could blacks position survive i would say no. But the important thing to remember is
that there is only a fleeting moment in any opening for black to either equalize or 'create counter
chances!!! blacks 4....b6 was not a good move. The proper move in this opening is
4....c5...Alekhine points this out. Black 'must' retard e4! I have a similar game that i posted for
GOTM that i just posted. Same opening. ,different theme. White offers a pawn for better piece
play. I hope all this helps you.
pawnstar2010
18-Sep-10, 22:04

My thoughts...
Firstly, let me apologise for being so late to post - I wanted to be able to give this my full attention, which is difficult as I also like to give my children my full attention and they must come first.

The first point of interest is of course 4... b6. I understand that black probably did this because the c8 - h3 diagonal was blocked up by black's pawns and the a8 - h1 diagonal seemed a much better place to develop the lsb to. However, all previous moves by both sides indicated that they were trying to control the e4 square. Black has abandoned this idea in order to better place his bishop. What resulted was white advancing his pawn to e4 and asserting strong control of the centre.

I didn't really understand why black played 6... Bxc3+. Taking away a defender of the e4 square perhaps? Maybe that wasn't the reason - white had plenty of defence on e4 without the knight and after the exchange, and white now has some support to the previously undefended pawn on d4. I don't think the doubled pawns could really be considered a weakness that black could target, and black doesn't benefit from the open b file, and can't for quite some time as the bishop is firmly fianchettoed there. Furthermore, white's dsb now has more options (that are utilised in due course).

The next few moves from white's perspective are about increasing and bolstering the dominance in the centre, and black's moves are about trying to make his fortress impenetrable. After move 12 black looks to be very constricted and white's space advantage is starting to really show. the black pieces don't control much of the board and are all getting in each other's way. White has a well fortified centre and plenty of room to shuffle pieces around if he needs to to find a better attack.

13. Ba3 served to force black to play c5 due to the threat of white extending further with e5, but by playing c5 black now has no way to prevent d5. White continues to push forward and further squeeze black's position.

Black is eventually able to break up white's pawn centre, but white's dominance is also evident behind his pawns, and after 20. Bb2, white has an extra bishop to attack a crucial diagonal. White now owns the a1-h8, b2-h7, and c1-h6 diagonals, and has 2 well placed rooks. Black doesn't seem to have a chance from this position.

After making even more space for his attack and hindering any defensive effort white has forced black into such a bad position that he plays the almost comical, 22...Qh4. From here on in it is up to white how he will finish black off. the black king is completely exposed and destined to be checked every move until it's over.

Please let me know if any of my interpretation of why the moves were made could be incorrect. I may well have highlighted the wrong reasons behind some of the moves and would welcome being corrected.

Looking forward to the next part of the study!

Steve

brigadecommander
18-Sep-10, 23:21

pawnstar
your analysis is for the most part correct. At top level play they never play 4...b6. They play
4....c5. Or in some cases d5. Black must right from the giddyap contest the center. In this game
Blacks pieces don't communicate with one another the way Whites pieces do. As to why black
exchanges on c3 Alekhine explains why. But this exchange is supposed to be after black plays c5
(if at all.) .This is done to try to get counter play against whites doubled pawn. In the next game
Alekhine will play the black side and we will see how Black can counter whites plan...thank you
for your input.
ionadowman
19-Sep-10, 13:47

I have been asked...
... about the 'Mate in Two' in the 4-Queen position I posted a few days back. Comes of misreading something that Kotov did say that puzzled me at the time, but I didn't quite see that the dots weren't connecting up. Well spotted x-machine!

Here's the position:
w

Kotov mentioned that White could win by exchanging all his pieces (leaving a winning pawn ending), remarking that after [28.Rxg8+] ...Rxg8 29.Qe5 was mate. Careless reading in my part!

But the thought did occur that there was a quick mate here, surely. I siggested a mate in 4 to x-machine, but it turns out that because the WK stands at g1, it's not quite so quick (though no less decisive).

From the diagram:
28.Rxg8+ Qxg8
29.Qxa2! ...
Well, White has won a queen at any rate, and must win. If now 29...Qxe8, 30.Rxe8+ and mate next move. Just about any other move you can think of leads to an equally quick mate.
End of story? Not quite. Black has a check!

29...Rxg3+!!
30.hxg3 Qxe8
31.Rxe8+ Kg7
32.Qe6 h5
33.Rg8+ Kh7
34.Qg6# - a mate in seven.
dmaestro
19-Sep-10, 15:45

Count me in.
tomlib
22-Sep-10, 15:16

First Game
I've played through that first game Brigade Commander posted about twenty times and I see a lot of the developmental moves and how the combinations work but it is going to require more study on my part. For me, a lot of it is just examining moves that at first glance look hopeless. Then, suddenly, the light bulb goes on!
brigadecommander
22-Sep-10, 16:14

light bulb
soon it will blaze with a steady glow. After about 30-games the brain becomes trained.
brigadecommander
30-Sep-10, 04:54

sorry for the delay
i have just started classes again and have not had the time to post the next game. It will be
posted within the week.
brigadecommander
09-Oct-10, 03:10

overwhelmed
sorry guys but with three Math classes , Physics,Chemistry, i am overwhelmed at the moment.
When things calm down i will get back into this but right now i can't.Sorry!...Janet
alancreaser
11-Oct-10, 05:31

alancreaser would like to join
I am a very new club and GameKnot member who is very interested in Alekhine's games. Please advise me and count me in!
andys100
12-Dec-10, 13:08

Am I too late to join?
I hope I'm not too late in wanting to join this study group as I'd love to improve my game and would also greatly enjoy studying Alekhine's games.  
brigadecommander
12-Dec-10, 13:49

sorry for the delay
i have been very busy with school so i have not had a chance to continue this thread. But i will
as soon as i can. Thanks for all the interest....J
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