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charleshiggie 05-May-11, 00:55	An unusual situation! Last night I played our last over-the-board match of the season, Pen-y-fford v Wallasey in the Wirral League cup final, over 7 boards. I won on board 7, and I estimate my British Chess Federation grade will be 160 - one of the highest grade I have ever had! Six games are finished and we are winning 3,5 - 2,5. One game is left and if they win, they win the cup on board count. The game wasn't completed because the players don't know whose move it is, after the time scramble. The time limit is 35 moves each in 1 h 15 mins, then they turn the clocks back 15 mins and you have to complete your moves in the time you have. There was a time scramble to reach move 35, and while they both agreed that both had reached move 35, they couldn't agree on whose move it was. So it is being referred to the league controller to decide what should be done. Has anyone else any experience of this sort of situation? Any idea on the likely outcome? Many thanks Charles
sonata296 05-May-11, 01:58	Wow That is indeed a very strange situation...I think if the players made the correct notation they can see whose move it was, but I guess that wasn't the situation here... I think that the league controller should look at the position and then decide whose turn it is, I guess..
doji 05-May-11, 03:25	I didn't experience a situation like this. It must have been a difficult decision, certainly because there was a lot at stake here!!!
ionadowman 05-May-11, 05:32	Two possible solutions... One is: the game is agreed drawn. The other is to adjudicate the game. I presume at least the position is known! You could try adjudicating the thing is though it were White to play, then as if it were Black to play. Having said that, I'd be inclined to award a win only if both adjudications come down as a win for the same colour. If either is drawn - then it's a draw. Come to think of it, a third possibility presents itself as fairest, but probably not practical in the circumstances: replay the game.
charleshiggie 06-May-11, 00:09	Thanks for your views I think the game was pretty level - our guy was the exchange down - I think bishop for rook - but had a couple of pawns for compensation. What I wondered was that as both players had failed to keep an accurate record of the moves up to move 35, they should both be disqualified and have a double default?
caknight 06-May-11, 00:20	Rules of Tournament Chess 22.) Both players are required to write down the moves of the game, both your own and your opponent’s, as each move is made. If either player has less than 5 minutes remaining, neither player is required to keep score. However, failure to keep score may result in losing the right to claim a draw by three-fold repetition or 50-move rule. Players who do not keep score will have ten minutes taken off their clock.
charleshiggie 18-May-11, 12:50	The outcome What the league decided was that the particular game should be replayed. They got into a time scramble again! This time our guy won and so we completed a league and cup double!
ionadowman 18-May-11, 14:24	Oh, well... ... problem solved. A good solution, though I thought it might not be practical, and the fairest way to go. Not knowing whose move it was is a bit weird...
ionadowman 18-May-11, 14:27	By the way... ... IN GENERAL, in a game with Rook vs Minor piece plus 2 Pawns (with or without other material scattered about) I much prefer the minor piece, especially if it's a bishop. All other things being equal, of course...
pawnbyknight 22-May-11, 03:59	likely to be drawn In situations like this, if the actual situaton is clear, so the game can proceed the outcome will be reached after calculating chances for white and for black to play first. So if there is a clear advantage for white or black the game will be declared a win. In other cases when nothing is clear it will be decided a draw

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